Why guys only want to hook up with me

Guys only want to hook up with me

i find that men mostly do understand that women generally want relationships, which is why players have gotten so good at avoiding them, disappearing when the question is bound to arise. some girls just seem to feel like it’s rude or unkind to say no, firmly and decisively. really steamed me was that now refused to condemn him at all,yes, that was appalling. it’s more like looking at a car accident – we acknowledge the tragedy, have a hard time looking away, and see if we can learn something from these women making incredibly poor choices. i continue to be amazed at the continued resentment by some men that women are biologically programmed a certain way.”on the other hand, here’s something to think about. can speak from experience that being in a committed relationships with guys who love you is very much protective against rumors and degredations of this kind. average college student, both male and female, leaves school with a mean of <2 sexual partners. but i’m not sure if the explosion was to blame. talk about your childhood dreams, what's going on at work, and how you've always wanted to go back to grad school. i think any guy who has had a harem will tell you flat out that it takes a lot of time and energy, and doesn’t leave a lot leftover for snarking at people online. men are less likely to approach beautiful women due to an overwhelming fear of being rejected by them. same guys would probably do cartwheels for barbara streisand (ew). but that does not give you the right to generalize about all women, or make blanket claims about female nature. if he is willing to be seen with her at the cafeteria, football game, movies with his buddies as an pre-arranged date then he is views her as more than a conquest to humiliate. for women, it’s not reasonable to think that a jerk with a promiscuous past is going to enjoy monogamy – perhaps ever. should understand clearly that this derision of “sluthood” amongst guys is real and alive. shape shop moisturizer makeup remover face serums skin toner face wipes hand and foot cream body butter body wash body lotion perfume skin care fragrances beauty products anti aging face masks skin cleanser sunscreen shop more. i’m sure you’re right that in some cases, women are chasing alpha jerks, and all other men are invisible to them.@dalrockthis is perfect advice for men, and is roughly what i will tell my son when he is old enough. use the mobile version, so paragraph breaks are still in, and comments are not nested. while i don’t believe anything is wrong with having sex per se, this could be one argument for women delaying sexual activity until later in life.’m going to stress again for anyone reading this exchange that the idea that this is the fault of some small cabal of men is a massive misdirection on the part of women who want absolutely no responsibilities on their shoulders at all.” i’m not sure why that is, and it goes from simple things, like declining an offer to hang out when it’s finals time all the way to hooking up with a guy. for my daughter however i’ll point out that plenty of other women are capable of looking past poor initial delivery to find high quality guys. however, i urge the men, especially those who are well out of college, to consider that many of the young women writing here are trying to figure this out. the bad school system, quotas, discrimination against masculine work styles, and the emphasis on “agreeing with the current system” make it hard for men to get ahead. add the woman’s inexperience, sex pos feminism that encourages women to have sex like men and tells her that she won’t be slut shamed and a hope that this will lead to a realtionship and you’ve got a perfect mix for the making of a slut. there anyone other than susan (she’s still more than welcome to try) who can explain to me how women withholding sex, in a system where neither sex is held to any communal standard or constrained by any law, will produce commitment in their partners? spend plenty of time around the sons and daughters of the people who pretty much run this country(despite not actually being one of them myself)..in situations like dumping or rejecting someone, i think it’s useful to imagine there being a certain, fixed, irreducible amount of hurt/pain to be delivered; the question is, are you going to force it all onto the other person, or accept some on yourself? personally why a man is prepared for monogamy and caring about the reasons men should foster a monogamous attitude in the current culture are two different things. just could not understand what he was doing with me, since it was obvious to me he would have preferred other women, women that were culturally and ethnically closer to him, but appearantly “his own women” didn’t want him, despite him being quite good looking. is it really beyond men’s capabilities to see beyond the surface of physical beauty to the core of other, good qualities beneath? maybe some women like the attention and don’t want to lose it. guess opinions and boundaries aren’t what people want to see in young women? it sounds like a win-win situation to me; he leaves, and the woman who wants a relationship gets it from a man who also wants the relationship. this note, i highly recommend this article from the london guardian by charlie brooker:Nightclubs are hell. and that is, after all, when most hookups are happening. had an unpleasant situation with a guy at my internship this summer who seemed to think that because i disagreed with him on a completely irrelevant issue, and had the courage to tell him so, i was a bitch. btw, if the guy’s a lot older, and i mean a lot older, cut him some slack. reasons for why a man wants to commit (my definition) are not important to me as long as he is ready to do so. that’s why i said it’s terrible luck to be targeted by one of these guys – there’s very little one can do to defend oneself. girls really had a tough time saying no, they could be coerced into all kinds of dumb things like eating bugs or burning their hair. your routine that you come over on saturday night, hang out, and have sex? i spent my whole college career hating my new england all women’s college and now all i have to say is thank god for mount holyoke. trying to commit and be respectful continues to get guys rejected, then most will start avoiding it. but bitching at women about who we’re attracted to will change exactly nothing.” where did that come from, and why such a push? if i’m considering a relationship with some girl, and she gave a rimjob to some dude on the football team during a hookup, that’s a piece of information i want to be privy to. if it’s a guy she likes and he keeps trying after she said “no” the fist (second, third etc time) then saying a final and firm “no” to him at this point is already difficult.” women would benefit from not having sex until they have learnt to say “no”, otherwise they may get pushed into things they really don’t want to do.“i can’t tell you how many times, i have been blown away by the sight of really good-looking guys, who are dating/married to very average looking women. lots of flashy, attractive, well-dressed, charming people who really know how to light up a party or have a good time, but nothing interesting about their souls:*no obvious and blatant personality or fashion imperfections. there is a difference in terms of context when it comes to saying no for women. it blows my mind to see a member the more affluent, socially aware sex adamantly deny a man’s feelings for her when they’re blatantly obvious. at age 12-13, all men will be forcibly removed from their households, and sent to spf sex reeducation camps led by amanda marcotte. so much of what you hear from women—and other guys, unfortunately—on topics like these amounts to having good, decent, likely beta guys assume some responsibility for cleaning up the fallout that emanates from the poor decisionmaking of the women around them. no school in the ivy league even comes close to an average state school for partying. women who want exciting sex with bad boys otherwise out of their league should have at it. because it’s highly judgmental, and so sets you up as the all-knowing judge of what’s best for everyone, including yourself, the guy, and this imagined other girl; and in setting yourself up as the superior judge you’re claiming a great deal of standing, and so naturally reducing the other person’s standing. men basically have four reasons we do it… three of them good and one bad. many college women have had sex with 20, 30, even 40 different men. most guys know not to exaggerate too much, or they let on when they are. there are guys that enjoy/get off on the power trip of seeing just how far they take a girl in terms of sexual degradation. there’s now no chance that this woman will lure a guy into a relationship, which benefits women who are not performing such acts. you do realize that some colleges would think ivy league is for chumps because the rimming wasn’t also captured on iphone? that’s right—women are given a 1 percent premium just for having vaginas. so, it shouldn’t be too surpising that there are men that wouldn’t consider sleeping with megan fox.”and jt, you might want to take your job grievances up a bit higher than the masses of women doing clerical and mundane jobs. — i think this post, and the comments, demonstrate really well why even though it’s true that most women can find someone to have sex with (unlike some percentage of men out there) it’s really not the great thing many guys seem to imagine it would be.. most students on campus are grown, but i’ve thankfully had car keys taken out of my hand, rescued some random drunk girl from alcohol poisoning and broke up a fight so that one of my crew wouldn’t get his ass kicked. exactly do men have to gain out of this supposed promise of “commitment”? any of us do something poorly or ineptly, we should not expect a successful result. i don’t give a pass to women who sleep with married men, happily married or not.

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women really are inclined to be people pleasers – it’s in our nature, and it’s strongly reinforced in the culture. i can also say that these nice men you speak of are simply nonexistent on college campuses. this is the one who he takes to red sox games and asks his brother for advice on which restaurants to take her to. since trying to “reform” myself from the hook-up scene i’ve ended up at many parties with my guy acquaintances / male friends and the stories they have shared with me have blown my mind with disgust. truth is, this guy is not unusual – nor are the commenters. women should understand this, as it affects the size of their potential pool of mates. too much casual sex damages a man’s ability to really pair bond emotionally with a woman, just the same as it damages a woman’s ability to pair bond with a man. when that girl’s name finally finishes making the rounds, she will be blacklisted as nothing more than a last resort beer-goggle piece of tail. often times, these stories involve girls they’ve recently hooked up with. she said:guys i feel no attraction to creepily hitting on me constantly simply trying to sleep with me that night, i don’t think i will meet a truly nice guy at a bar or a party…at this point, i think i will be waiting until after graduation to really meet the guys i even want to date at all. i’m in an ltr so i didn’t bite, but you can see how modern interactions can set up some extremely high expectations. they really mean is something like a vague understanding between the man and the girl that their ‘relationship’ is monogamous, and perhaps cohabitation. on our first date, he couldn’t get off the subject of what did i find attractive in men (chest hair is a major concern as i remember) and what particiular sex acts was i willing to perform. sounds nicer, but then if he sees me next month out with another guy he’ll know it’s a lie.@sasha it’s not a madonna/whore complex… that implies that women are viewed as sexual or relationship worthy… essentially one or the other. at times, though, the girls are just objects of ridicule and disgust., “thankyou for asking me but no, i would not be interested in going out with you” acceptable? do i – i recall your post on man-poaching and have no disagreement with it. it’s exactly because many women are naturally more attracted to bad boy player alphas and are tempted by the sex with them that they can’t easily say no. think that quote was a commenter on maureen dowd’s article, not her. honestly, these stories give me some new found respect for the girls who avoid hooking up. i don’t give a pass to women who sleep with married men, happily married or not. do you mean that it’s okay for women to simply refuse to answer that question, or that it’s okay to give a false answer when asked? but you raise a good question about locker room talk – there must be some exaggerating that goes on – it’s endemic to storytelling. gist of it was, many men who are going into politics know there is a kind of woman they are “supposed to marry” in order to make it in politics. you’ve singlehandedly given us a real-time look inside the locker room of an ivy football team. note well i said participate in such scenes – which is much broader than the immediate sick-bucket locales. i know i’d have a hell of a time saying no to a thousand dollars in cash, even from a questionable source. and yet he’s supposed to play cap’n save-a-ho on the behalf of these sluts who he sees making total wastes of themselves by prostrating themselves before a few cads rather than giving him the time of day? he tried to withhold the name, but i guarantee that’s been released by now to(other people saw him with her some nights and they’ll tell when probed). women would benefit from not having sex until they have learnt to say “no”, otherwise they may get pushed into things they really don’t want to do. but there are some who will play the part of being everything a woman wants, only to dispose of her once he’s made the conquest.-6 but we only hookup when i am completely hammered and if nothing else pans out for me during the night.“i’d be interested to hear what the guys think of this – what % to discount these stories? there they will take female hormones to reduce the effects of rising testosterone, and will attend day long classes to understand female “empowerment”.@susan walshno woman wanting a relationship should have sex if she is at all insecure or unsure about the guy’s feelings for her. the only men i had trouble rejecting were the ones who professed to me that they were in love with me and would be devastated if i rejected them… so i often did not. it really is like a foreign language, so you have to cut the guys some slack on this. i was about to add in response to seeds of life that some of us actually make it past 21 with no sexual partners. i know that choosing this road i will be stronger in the long run, but i often-times feel left out of the whole thing.@esau we did so poorly and ineptly, as judged by women’s responses; but we did get out there and try. we can act horrified by players, but they’re getting considerable positive reinforcement from the women they play. “good” men are not showing up in the sense that they are not getting onto the radar screen. i was lucky because i learned from other men coming up, but i think a lot guys don’t have that so they just go with their (worst) instincts: burnishing their manhood with stories of their escapades. great sex isn't a reason to get involved in a full-fledged relationship, and the comfort that comes with seeing someone regularly is also not a reason. and he was the one who was married and should bear the blame for cheating. i agree that men and women are both entitled to the truth about a person’s sexual history before making a commitment, or indeed even having sex once. i’m not sure why you object to a real-life portrayal of the way that men think and behave around sex.“women would benefit from not having sex until they have learnt to say “no”, otherwise they may get pushed into things they really don’t want to do. women will be able to see this guy for who he is until they’ve already been profoundly hurt, even emotionally damaged by him. she will hook up next with a teammate of his, perhaps, and will feel special once again that she has attracted a high status varsity athlete. i started with a really long comment here that became off topic and more about me so i ended up expanding on it and posting it on my blog although i suspect that it’s not showing up as the most recent post yet underneath this comment. i avoid embarrassment and still get to be myself and they avoid confusion and don’t have to waste time rejecting me later. few women will be able to see this guy for who he is until they’ve already been profoundly hurt, even emotionally damaged by him. girls need to decide which one they want to be and act accordingly, because men follow your lead. it’s the same reason that successful societies tend to collapse into decadence. the good guys don’t usually put on that pressure. as soon as you stop texting someone — guy or girl — their interest level goes up. is it really beyond women’s capabilities to see beyond the surface of inept delivery to the core of other, good qualities beneath? jollie and only blaming her for the demise of her marriage to b. the ideal man is one who every woman wants and one woman gets. women are generally quite picky, and not without good reason; and even if they weren’t, there simply wouldn’t be enough hours in the day to say yes to all advances. really, do you want to make the claim that women have no input at all in these cases? it’s a perception, which means that for some women, it’s reality. all i can chalk it up to is that guys must think it’s easier to attempt to play the hookup scene rather than try for a relationship. i’m not even going to blame other guys for taking different paths. ok, this is a problem with wordpress, at least this theme. new dating terms illustrate just how awful dating has become. there was a time when i knew everyone’s name and comment history by heart – i guess i should probably admit it’s beyond me now. when i say nonexistent, i mean it in this way: they do not talk to women, they do not flirt, they do not smile, they do not say hello.“of course, you’re right about lies – i’m not sure how any of this gets confirmed. no woman wanting a relationship should have sex if she is at all insecure or unsure about the guy’s feelings for her. i can also say that these nice men you speak of are simply nonexistent on college campuses.:my set of flat mates in particular last year (flat of 5 girls and 1 boy) had a wall of shame for a few months of photographs of all the conquests that left the house over that period. cares if women aren’t getting attention for whatever reason?

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    when studies control for these facts, it has been established that women actually make 101 percent of what men do. told me, “do you know how hard it is for an average guy to get access to many women? if it seems that men bedding multiple successive women without commitment is “player”-like behavior, that’s because it is, but a “player” true is an outlier; someone who isn’t obeying the held sexual ethics of the time.“i think women are more likely to end up in those situations without realizing what they’re doing because they a) want to be people pleasers and b) want to fit in and c) think it’s expected and d) think it’s the way to get a boyfriend. let me specifically address this statement here: “it will save lots of women from heartache. women seem to believe that if they can be as good as a porn star, a guy will fall for them, or at least keep them around indefinitely., talking about how we shouldn’t blame the other woman because it’s our partner who was in the relationship and decided to cheat. a while back three different men in our neighborhood left their wives and children for other men, but hey, this is boston. they had a list of sexual practices on one axis, and guys’ names on the other. indeed, the women who comment here deserve credit for earnestly trying to understand their own behavior as well as the behavior of the guys around them., lately i have been hooking up with this girl whose probably like a 5. adopting this mentality without becoming bitter or angry at women is a really something to be proud of and will serve you well. however, regarding the rim job and others saying they’ve heard crazy things… could it be that the guys telling these stories are exaggerating just a little bit? the idea that guys would protect the reputation of women who engage in such behavior is essentially a request for chivalry – and that’s not reasonable. so, he’s powerful and magnetic and he gets her to do what he wants and she suffers intense media scrutiny and a majorly dinged reputation for the rest of her natural days while he stays married, stays president, and continues to enjoy the admiration of millions. as long as we’re talking about college students, i can say with great confidence that most of my peers do not have the maturity to behave in their best interests around someone they really like, especially when their judgment is impaired by something like alcohol. does that mean a woman with low sex rank might as well put out? however, i think there are very different contexts and as we were talking about the problem women seem to have with saying no that was what i was addressing. it’s the same principle with the “intelligence is attractive” meme. does that mean a woman with low sex rank might as well put out? he’s not used to women throwing themselves at him sexually mostly because he grew up in a very catholic town. if they don’t do anything then there’s nothing i can do to change things, and i won’t waste my time trying. if you don’t want to take it on, don’t. men are being outearned and their status as unemployed will also continue to rise thus taking them out of the relationship equation altogether. quotas, an education system geared towards women and now the ever increasing boss being big daddy government has pretty much ensured this trend will rise in the future. genuinely heathy and loving relationship is truly a marvelous thing, for both men and women. there are something like 40 different types of hpv, but the one that causes cervical cancer is very dangerous and can also cause oral and other types of cancer in men. it’s an attempt to rationalize why these men aren’t on your radars, and it’d make perfect sense if it wasn’t completely false 😉. the “argument from helplessness” pushes all the blame and all the responsibility onto the “super-villain” cad, while poor nell is utterly powerless before his hypnotic gaze. party in particular i was with a few of these guys and a girl came up to talk to one of them expressing that she enjoyed the other night and was like eluding that they should meet up later tonight. my about page: 12% of women say that it is sometimes easier to have sex with a guy they don’t know than to make conversation. i would not have said that i had slept with 36 men. she’s a 5 the solution is to find a male 5 that she gets on well with and live happily ever after and raise a whole mess of little 5’s together. if you then agree with me that women can’t be trusted to guard what’s between their legs of their own volition, then we have no further points of contention. i’m going to add a point that i think girls can be just as ruthless with the way we disrespect guys we’ve hooked-up with casually too. the teammate will also find her unattractive, but he knows he won’t catch too much shit for hooking up with her, since his buddy has already stooped this low. i don’t even know how to advise women to guard against such a man – with his skill, and absence of conscience or empathy, he will play a woman hard before she even knows what hit her. i’m not a fan of the term, cause it’s an amanda marcotte favorite (and thus without a female compliment) but it seems accurate in this case. as i’ve posted in the past (years ago) my one real relationship was a complete disaster and i ended up heartbroken and after that hurt finally went away i guess i’m just a lot wiser and somewhat jaded when it comes to females. you definitely don’t want to be yelling at him, and i don’t think any of this is grounds to get him fired. course, that’s easy for me to say, never having had either that sexual history or a partner demanding that information. the only thing i can think of is for girls to give more directs iois, so these guys can work up some b*lls to go for it, but i really don’t know. it kind of sucks(my life is eat, football, eat, football, eat, football, then sleep, in that order, then repeat the next day), but being back in the locker room has given me some serious insight into this particular topic: male views on casual hookups vs., the stakes may be higher for women – every time a woman fails to say no to sex that is not in her best interests, she permanently devalues herself, at least according to many of the men who often comment here. she is quite critical of feminism, but it was a guy explaining his view of the power that men have to select women with low sexual experience. youre saying i don’t care what a man wants from a serious relationship. it took them a long time of courtship before they even got to touch or kiss me. “because i’m sick of partying” , “because it fits in with my religious beliefs”, because it will bring out the best in me”, ” because i’m lonely”,” because i have a lot to offer”. it’s about having the connection first, and waiting to have sex only after both people are in love. but because men tend to be more literal, and not read in between the lines, they hear “intelligence is attractive”, know they are smart guy getting no action, and wonder wtf. i especially appreciate your taking the time to share it with us when i know you are incredibly busy with football. she eagerly joins the ranks of these women, having no idea that he is grossed out by her teeth and on the brink of deleting her number – without any intention to communicate the end of whatever it is they are doing. of course the context is different—men and women are different. i hate to quote he's just not that into you, but i'm going to do it:  if a person wants to date you, they will date you. she was only a few years older than his daughter at the time of the affair and had some emotional problems that both clinton and linda tripp took advantage of. your relationship has been hookup-focused for the summer, it's time to subtly start changing the focus. if i’m considering a relationship with some girl, and she gave a rimjob to some dude on the football team during a hookup, that’s a piece of information i want to be privy to. and no, i haven’t reclaimed the word “bitch” and given it a new post-modern, empowering meaning and therefore i would not like to be viewed as one. the message here is that women need to understand that when they’re hooking up with a guy for kicks, they can’t expect respect, and won’t get it.’ve tried hooking up and my awkward failure let me know it wasn’t for me. do you buy the one with the best commercials and smoothest sales guy like your emotional side says you should buy? the women around him went for other types of men (some better than him, some worse, depending on the woman’s station in life) and a few that he liked turned out to be lesbians. most of all, don't expect the conversation to resolve immediately. they didn’t want me, but they went spread eagle for him. back at j:the article is about 20 something single childless women. these girls just liked posing as that deaf girl calling guys and asking them out on the phone. but to reframe the argument, if my son got busted for using drugs, i’d be angry and disappointed in him and i’d also be angry and disappointed at the drug dealer who made the drugs so easily available (and very likely at the society that says out of one side of its mouth that drugs are no big deal and out of the other repudiates them and puts people in prison for years for dealing or using them). my opinion, athlone, the mentality you adopt here is important—probably even more than learning how to game women. most students i knew were busy with organizations or homework.:i did not say men should be snared into commitment with a lie. i have a few good guy mates who have talked to me and my set of girlfriends about their sexual conquests in ways that make me cringe. if i were single and to have “drinks with her sometime” as she proposed, i would have been not happy with “just kissing”. does he or she write back or comment back or post that picture of you two on instagram? if all the keeps men and women together is a paycheck, then men are still safe. said, and this can only be accomplished if the guy knows right up front, either through your reputation or direct communication, that you are a girlfriend, not a hookup (the female equivalent of dad vs.
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    this is actually spelled out in game – how to break down a woman’s asd – anti-slut defense. the a day decent(normal) attractive man were to ever approach me. doesn’t speak very well of women on the whole, if you ask me. to me commitment means marriage (that is, a boyfriend-girlfriend type relationship that is likely to end in marriage). super-alpha with no morals whatsoever, and a low self-esteem girl wanting to please and the result isn’t pretty. you don’t seem to be giving women very much credit here, it seems to me. women can and do “muddle through,” but often experience a lot of heartache in the process. as women we make choices that compromise our pay so that we may get other benefits. it is not plausible, much less reasonable, to ask women to see beyond poor and inept delivery. sure, both parties may know it’s a part of the game, but it torpedoes the idea that all good men need to do is step up and talk/ask women out more. but they seem to not care or maybe they feel like not being part of the hookup scene isn’t a choice. is a type 1 player (you can tell from the nickname), but is becoming uncomfortable with his behavior. when the guy says “well what did you go out with me for if you’re not going to put out” or something to that effect, or the whole world acts as if there is no such thing as stopping after a few kisses. commitment to a modern girl means a relationship that is sexually exclusive – being boyfriend and girlfriend. the women on this thread are specifically discussing saying no to someone they’re already acquainted with. not to the same degree, but both genders are expected to be polite, kind and respectful to everyone. combine super-alpha with no morals whatsoever, and a low self-esteem girl wanting to please and the result isn’t pretty. it’s a waste of time to belabor the observation that women reject men’s sexual advances most of the time. thing i must disagree with an above poster on; guys are also damaged by casual sex, even though such behavior is practically “lauded” by society. since we’re all overly horny 18-22 year old men, naturally we get very intrigued by these tales of bedroom conquest. a guy who wants to be your boyfriend will do different things with you when you hang out like grab a bite with you, invite you to hang out with his friends, watch a movie, etc.’ve known women who were taken in by guys like this, and they didn’t even have low self-esteem, as far as i could tell. if they work up the courage to talk to a girl, they go and screw it up by being completely oblivious to the signs she’s putting out and by not taking their friends’ (me! furthermore, women have been working in asia for many years, earlier than even women in the west, yet there is no outcry that men are less able to find work than women there… probably because so many jobs have been exported there. think women are mroe likely to end up in those situations without realizing what they’re doing because they a) want to be people pleasers and b) want to fit in and c) think it’s expected and d) think it’s the way to get a boyfriend. i refused a second date, but felt horrible about possibily misjudging him until a male friend assured me that i was crazy for worrying. there are very few mainstream american women who make it to the age of 21 having had only 1 sexual partner. if it ends badly or you’ve been paired with someone immature or vindictive, all bets are off. men are having a tough time due to globalization and outsourcing of almost all manufacturing, technology and traditionally masculine jobs. however, as you say, a guy who is treating you like a girlfriend, clearly and unashamedly demonstrating his continued interest, is probably a good bet. it is truly a venus/mars situation, and women have a lot to learn about life on mars. poaching, or luring, someone – that is, setting out to seduce them is quite different than being a target of seduction by a person with a lot more authority, e. most guys i knew in college had absolutely no problem signaling their interest. i don’t even know how to advise women to guard against such a man – with his skill, and absence of conscience or empathy, he will play a woman hard before she even knows what hit her. think the rampant spread of stds is more than enough reason to cast judgement. there are plenty of men who won’t assholically trash you the morning after, why didn’t she just pick one of them instead? remember, my exact claim is not that women aren’t socialized to be nice; it’s that said socialization doesn’t go very far, since it doesn’t result in women being nice to unattractive men. when these women, who are socialized in such a way, are put in a situation <**********with a boy who they really like********and must say no to unwanted sexual advances, many simply do not have the maturity or wherewithal to say no. was emotionally available until i dated way too many guys who weren’t. what a man/men expect out commitment is important to whether he is happy with his relationship. then, consider yourself lucky if he doesn’t haul off and slap you hard across the face — only fair, in a sense, since propagating this pernicious, dehumanizing tripe practically amounts to an act of violence in itself.@ chilithe point is that women have the wherewithal to say no if they really, really want to say no.’m not proud of this but i think it goes to show that females can be just as nasty as males when it comes to showing disrespect for “slutty” behaviour. notice i didn’t say only marriage, because my grandparents who are in their 80s had an arranged marriage, and my grandfather cheated on my grandmother many times because there was simply no real love.*snicker* well, i’m sure the guys this happened to were just devastated when they found out! i mean i just listen to them talk i have never given my opinion that i think they are acting like pigs – i don’t like using the term but it’s like they are suffering from the whole madonna whore syndrome. they forfeit that scene because they are secure in their looks and figure they’ll do better once they’re out of school and can have access to older guys. men’s standards for hooking up are extremely low, as they will readily admit. i’ve been sitting out the hook up scene and have said no the leering and the hook up offers i have received. i’m only 19, but there’s no point wasting time, right? i think what they’re really saying is, “i know i could never have her, but it doesn’t matter because i don’t want her anyway. of course though they don’t disrespect their significant others who they are officially dating but to all the girls they have hooked up with and had sexual relations with outside of this they are just plain ruthless. i suspect that she might have been promiscuous at some point in her life, although i don’t know that for certain. goes without saying, i would think, that turning down a request for sex is difficult only when the woman is tempted. sure, he can do a lot of the things i do for him, and i can do a lot of the things he does for me (we’ve both lived alone), but we work better as a team together.*no sense they’ll carry on a deep, meaningful, challenging conversation that’ll profoundly change your life – as in one of the high point’s in your life. do you even want a relationship with this person, anyways? tired of happiness passing me by and pity comments from friends and family. or just that former party girls should get their just desserts?’s when he settled for me: the average looking “cute” girl with not a lot of experience and no high demands. anytime after that makes him feel lucky to be with you. what’s the definition of “commitment” to a modern girl (incl., that’s basically what i see happens around me in stable middle class enclaves, which may not be entirely representative of all of modern market dynamics, but it certainly happens with enough frequency to dispel total cynicism.. if we think of hypergamy as an evolved strategy to choose the best possible mate, then certainly some women can override that impulse to adopt a strategy more suitable to mating in the 21st c. women have shorter careers due to child birth and are generally less willing to work as many hours as men., it’s only the peanut gallery that’s really screaming about how ugly a 5 is., that statement landed me in a lot of hot water! you may have trouble understanding this as a man but i’m sure plenty of women can attest to how much pressure there is on regular girls to be agreeable and noncontroversial and this can have some fairly terrible consequences, not just where men are concerned but in myriad other ways as well. there anyone other than susan (she’s still more than welcome to try) who can explain to me how women withholding sex, in a system where neither sex is held to any communal standard or constrained by any law, will produce commitment in their partners? lies men tell when they're trying to hook up with you . time you feel bitter about the current environment, remember that there are plenty of girls who feel the same way. what exactly do men have to gain out of this supposed promise of “commitment”? he’s treated her like crap, won’t be seen in public with her and only contacts her for sex when he’s drunk. like i said, i don’t blame guys, i just find it personally frustrating.: few women will be able to see this guy for who he is until they’ve already been profoundly hurt,.
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    sure, telling the entire school how you degraded a girl you hooked up with might be mean. i thought that someone of his looks would have had no problem getting any woman he was attracted to. but, this brings up the natural question, which you would see plainly if you didn’t insist on closing your eyes to it: why are you invested in the man who makes you do things you don’t want? i also know a few alphas but most of the guys i know are betas. think a lot of girls assume that they’re in group 2 when they’re really in group 1. sure, it’s almost impossible to verify if a guy is fibbing or not, but most guys (at least in the circles i move in) are really averse to just making shit up wholesale.@jt, i do agree that men were hit the hardest by this depression (let’s just call a spade by a spade) and lack of jobs, and i see this in my daily life and the lives of my female coworkers who are married to out-of-work construction guys, tech guys, etc. i want to know if i can text someone whenever i want without looking like a stage-five clinger, and i want to know that i don't necessarily need to make weekend plans because i'll be with him. would anyone argue that men deserve “attention” by virtue of their simply being men? i hadn’t posted in awhile myself because of some family issues and work taking over my life as well. a wedding planner, i get to hear about how couples meet all the time. a guy who wants to be your boyfriend will text you regularly — and by regularly, we mean all the time — without you having to text him. guys are not going to think that hooking up is the way to get a girlfriend. there isn’t even any indication that the girl in the original post is unhappy with her arrangement. i’ve heard of guys revising their numbers down, fwiw. it’s in our best interests to be selective, which means rejecting nearly all requests for sex that we’ll receive in our lifetimes. young men today have little incentive to commit and to respect the privacy of their female hookups, so they don’t do it. because hooking up is pretty easy to do, especially since most people tend to hook up with others that are part of their friends’ circle or on the periphery of their friends circle. you need to commit only to a man who thinks you are “the prize”. as you say, she’s idolizing him, and he’s not doing the same thing with her. of the common lies men tell is that they’re single when they’re actually in a relationship. why do women need any external moral guidance at all? what’s the definition of “commitment” to a modern girl (incl. college version of this is women automatically despising their bf’s exes, or their ex’s new gf. btw i think men do this too, especially in fwb situations. should understand clearly that this derision of “sluthood” amongst guys is real and alive. my set of flat mates in particular last year (flat of 5 girls and 1 boy) had a wall of shame for a few months of photographs of all the conquests that left the house over that period. it annoys the bejeezus out of me yet i’m refraining from telling him as much because i don’t want to be perceived as a “bitch”. sometimes they fail to make good choices, when impulse overrides reason. little brother goes back on the market, i’d like to nominate a couple of young women to be next in line for courtship. you understand that these men will just leave for greener pastures, right? the first hoop to jump through for me is to find a man interested in monogomy. i think his point was that the statement really is misleading, incomplete, and inaccurate if you leave out the part about “boy who they really like”. most young girls today don’t seem to want respect, and when they get it they don’t know what to do with it. i also offered this statement as a confession, knowing it would be unpopular, and speaking only for myself. a woman only has sex to offer of course the guy is gonna leave as she “withholds” her best asset. speaking, many guys, and especially beta types are not good at reading signs and body language.@athlone mcginnis: your story doesn’t shock me in the slightest. if you caluclate hourly wages, the differnce between men and women is much slimmer. roissy’s definition bears a very close resemblance to what many young women mistake for the best men. the shocked looks i get from people when i state that i’m a 22 year old virgin tells me this and i know other girls have buckled under that kind of pressure because if everyone else is doing it, why shouldn’t they? are probably a lot less discriminating about why their men are turning monogamous because they have a lot less to lose over it. we know that both men and women lie about their sexual experiences all the time, anonymously, but also in relationships. what kind of contact is it when you lick someone’s genitals? have friends like this; trust me, i know what they do. sure some 8s and 9s go the hook up route too but a lot smaller percentage i think. does that mean a woman with low sex rank might as well put out? i would argue that most women are more aware of how unlikely their sex partners are going to be to committing than you appear to think, and that those who aren’t – those who are truly naive – are not going to think rationally when presented with the gina tingle.@esau, in relation to women rejecting men…i just wanted to post a quick clarifying comment, even though it’s kind of late. is a mentality that everyone, everywhere – short of the super ugly or the super religious – are having sex. i had a consulting career working 80+ hours a week, traveling most of the time.@jtwhile some classes of women out-earn some classes of men, women in general still earn . he’s a decent guy who wants an actual relationship, and tries to treat women he’s interested in well. but the pool of men who do not care about a woman’s sexual past is far smaller than the population of men who do. and women are the same, ergo, women are happy and casual sex is wonderful!@susan, “it means that by and large, there is a sexual double standard that is biologically driven. you will be a piece of ass, good only for hanging out with in frat basements and only worth paying attention to when the party is over and he is horny. feel like a lot of girls do know how they’re perceived by men when they’re hooking up. they won’t stop until girls suddenly shut those types of guys off from sexual gratification and start demanding to be treated differently.@grerpthe saddest part of the story is what young women took away from this: blow jobs aren’t really sex. i’m still fairly swamped with family drama, but hopefully can get some more posts in on a regular basis. there are equivalent examples for men – your point, dragnet, about men being a doormat is a good one. so, for whatever strategy you might come up with for a better way to reject someone, you can test it with these two questions: (i) does it involve me taking on at least some blame/pain/discomfort? they’d fill in the squares with the name of the girl. but let’s remember that bill clinton was 1) married and 2) president of the united states and therefore pretty high profile. am realizing just how mean spirited and dismissive people can be., i had a man who desperately wanted to commit to me, for the wrong reasons. i wouldn’t want people to see me out with this girl, shes tall,skinny, decent body but her face is kind of a disaster. let’s throw in some nasty genital rashes for good measure. another thing is that there are a couple of all women’s colleges near mine, which gives the guys in this area much more choice.@easau, ”on the receiving end of all this rejection, of course, are men. seems to me that oral doesnt count as sexual contact. is not hard to feel sorry for monica lewinsky given the total glare of the media spotlight on her bad choices. “many women learn from their mistakes”, what’s the point of this blog? she was drunk on it, so she is definitely somewhat culpable.
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the fact that he even made that request in the first place revealed his feelings about the woman, not to mention the nature of his sexual experience. but most of the bashing i hear from girls is that their guy wasn’t a good lover and they didn’t orgasm—but when you’re just hooking up with a girl you don’t care about most guys don’t give a damn whether or not she came. for example, the well-used “i’m sure some other girl will be lucky to have you”, in its many variations, is essentially always bad, ie it may look like some sort of compliment but in reality it always comes across as harsh and cruel. construction has been flooded by cheap labor from immigrants as well, and you can thank the corporations who want to cut costs and make more profit at the expense of the workers. i will never be quite as cynical as roissy, nor will i ever vengefully turn to asshole game to either “get back” at girls or to just get my rocks off by “giving them what they ask for”, etc, etc. was a chemist and had been involved in an explosion of some sort. they come to think they’re above the need for the petty morality of the little people. a guy who sees you as just a hookup will make you wonder wtf his deal is. who withhold sex for some time in a relationship (okay, i admit i’m not one of them): is it really hard these days to find a man who’s willing to wait for you? Experts advice on what went wrong and how to learn from these situationsWhen you’re about to hook up with a guy, you have to remember that there are lies men tell to get you into bed. i haven’t even morally judged men who have lots of sex with different women, but remain honest with them. sure–i’ve never been the bombshell guys were gaga about! as the point of this blog is to help girls make better decisions, then i understand the focus on women’s inability to say no. you understand that these men will just leave for greener pastures, right? in which case, i’ll ask you to move along and stop bothering those who are choosing to spend their precious time here. but if you're already connected on social media, post on his or her wall or comment on a picture. are very few mainstream american women who make it to the age of 21 having had only 1 sexual partner. don’t say that honesty would be nice but only if charm is already present; take honesty without charm first over the reverse.” i’m not sure why that is, and it goes from simple things, like declining an offer to hang out when it’s finals time all the way to hooking up with a guy. so option 3 essentially means, “lower your standards” which i dont’ see happening on a macro level. but that’s clearly the case with men as well, for instance the guy who’s a doormat wrt to his really hot girlfriend because he wants to make her happy and doesn’t want to lose her. i’ve written about social proof numerous times, and men seek it as well. if a woman doesn’t want to be lonely, and also doesn’t want to waste her time on smooth-talking charlatans, then isn’t “seeing beyond poor and inept delivery” exactly what she should be putting her energy into?. drinking + sexual attraction = roll in the hayi’ve fallen prey to that once or twice only to achieve short-term gratification.! i remember one time i took a guy up to my room, frankly just because i didn’t want to offend them. he should not have to protect women he doesn’t know from the consequences of their own behavior. an attention hungry 21 year old from a broken home gets taken advantage of by the most powerful man in the western world, and those few minutes of her life ruin the rest of it. women are just not able to say, “it doesn’t matter what this awesome guy thinks about me when i refuse to hook up with him tonight. i thought gay guys marrying straight women was done and over with since being gay is more socially acceptable now. in sex/dating/whatever will treat you with the same respect they “feel like” you give yourself. don’t know if it’s related either, but i bet a lot of the guys would say it is. a wall of male “shame” would get you laughed at and ridiculed for being a skank over here.@dalrocki’m not saying that “oh well, this is how it is for women so men should be nicer. i did say that speaking for myself only, i would not share a partner count of 36, which is what the woman in the post had. i think my original post about how girls have trouble saying no got taken out of context and some of the other posters have offered some clarification i agree with. it’s also slightly amusing that i began this whole exchange by disputing susan’s claims that amounted to some gang of men being “mindless, heartless sex machines”, but whatev. the point is that women are indeed socialized from the earliest age to negotiate, compromise, demonstrate empathy, pretend empathy, etc.“is it really beyond women’s capabilities to see beyond the surface of inept delivery to the core of other, good qualities beneath? intrasexual female competition prevails, though, and women do use it to justify excusing rejection by men. a guy who sees you as just a hookup won’t really care about what you think or feel. she would forever be, to him anyway, “that blond who blew me in that bar. but if you've been dating or seeing each other for a few months, it's time to broach the social media sea.“either way, the pastures are only “greener” for a select minority of men so if some women can adjust their “standards” and make “better” choices, there most certainly will be men willing to “commit” (monogamous relationship) for a reliable supply of sex. when i say nonexistent, i mean it in this way: they do not talk to women, they do not flirt, they do not smile, they do not say hello. right off the top of my head i can think up at least 30 other things i’d want before that. means that by and large, there is a sexual double standard that is biologically driven. but the girls who want relationships are looking for guys like what you were in college. doesn’t mean they don’t like and want the one they are “supposed to marry” for a life partner. particularly as many guys who would find themselves in a sexual situation are likely the alphas who are actively searching for sex. we all have a choice about that, and writing “women have a hard time saying no”, in its many variations, is an utter failure to recognize reality for which you should all hang your heads in shame. being said, esau, i agree that women should be able to say no.” i strongly believe that it’s best for men and women to save the act of sex for when love and genuine connection and commitment exist. she can only be as happy as her delusions will allow, and once they’re gone, she’ll crash. i know you’ve done some babysitting before, and i know you have been baby sat. those guys that would want to say no if they were in that situation, likely won’t end up in that type of situation in the first place because they aren’t getting the same kind of attention from women. if, however, she keeps on doing the same thing, or has done this before, then it’s caveat emptor., you should write a post about some of the stds that are becoming more common as a result of promiscuous sex. it seems that men and women both are in general agreement on this. do you really think that even 5% of men have these super-villain powers? the woman discussed by bigearn has learned (or so she believes) that she can succeed in bedding a college hockey player who has a history of hooking up with attractive women. for short-term mating, they prefer women with a high sex drive and a high degree of sexual experience. her denial that hookup culture exists, her refusal to acknowledge what sluthood does to women, her belief that the sexual double standard should be eradicated via indoctrination all had me shaking my head. we all have a choice about that, and writing “women have a hard time saying no”, in its many variations, is an utter failure to recognize reality for which you should all hang your heads in shame. many are probably good, decent guys who would make good boyfriends. you should do better, and put in the necessary qualifiers so as not to make general statements that are, in general, wrong. but i’m not taking this one home to meet mom. lewinsky is an interesting case of the feminists abandoning someone who grew up to follow all their examples. they could call 911 easily, but they don’t want the social blowback that comes from filing a complaint. would rather go live alone in a mud hut in south america and have to catch my own fish and forage for my own berries braving the many and varied dangers of the rainforest than have a team of football players critique my naked body and my performance in bed amongst themselves. can pick the posers out pretty quickly though…some immediately come to mind. it’s insane and immediately you know that girl has been black listed.″i actually didn’t make a value judgment about his question – i simply presented it as a real look at how men think about their sexual partners. this is how female hypergamy is hurting women, but they have no idea. it’s about informing women about what created hookup culture, how to cope with it strategically, and how to potentially succeed against the odds. the following question i came across on a guy’s poker forum two days ago.

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we women can and do make distinctions between short-term and long-term male partners. to a first approximation, the entire sexual world is one giant female mouth saying “no”; all other occurrences amount to a small correction numerically. i often think most women who are “conquests” of “player” types must be absolutely clueless about how they get discussed with “his boyz” later. maybe you are not interested in marriage/commitment, but many men are. when any of us do something poorly or ineptly, we should not expect a successful result. and besides isn’t it a lot more fun to get a “dime” to secretly toss your salad, than brag about some “nickel” you turned out. men are not approaching me because it’s not worth their time. did not say men should be snared into commitment with a lie. this is why i encourage women to get involved in things that require regular attendance and seeing the same people repeatedly.. men aren’t belittled for having sex, they are belittled for not having sex… and little dicks. at least this way you won’t have to be something you are not. follow the real big money instead of the peanuts that most women make. so this requires the girl in this environment to not ljbf the guy right away, and at some point send some clear signals that maybe more is possible.’s how guys really feel about the girls they hook up with:from: bigearnhow bad is this, hookup wise? of course, buried in this number is some percentage (i'd guess around 20% for both sexes) that has a high number, and 10-15% who graduate virgins. warren beatty once said that even he was shot down 90% of the time, and what does that mean for the rest of us?”many of the male commenters on this site talk about how even if a girl hasn’t said anything about how many men she’s slept with, there are signs that make it clear she’s been promiscuous. i suppress my true feelings and opinions they usually come out in passive-aggressive ways later on and i’m afraid i’m going to blow up on him one day and scream “baldy-shorty” into the damn phone when he calls. guys just want to hook up with a girl to brag about it. a guy who wants to be your boyfriend will actually want to talk to you. average college student, both male and female, leaves school with a mean of <2 sexual partners. many complain about the reductionist nature of the alpha/beta divide here- this only perpetuates it. there was a comment on one of the entries here (i can’t recall it) that said something to the effect of “asking women to forgo bad boys/players/alpha males/etc is like asking men to reject physically attractive women”.”that’s the first thing i thought—what guy would actually want that from a girl? and (ii) does it result in the other person still preserving some self-respect? in late in the game here but…being a girl who has been privy to a lot of guy talk i can vouch for the fact that guys will gossip as much as girls about who they’ve slept with and who is willing to do what. and i daresay there’s a good post and discussion to be had about the dangers of men pedestalizing women.“you have absolutely have no experience with good women”no, i haven’t@chilliwhat you’ve said is all well and fine, but caring personally why a man is prepared for monogamy and caring about the reasons men should foster a monogamous attitude in the current culture are two different things. i don’t think it would be a good idea for me to date this girl anymore.” i think that people are actually afraid to say that because they assume that no one will listen. why aren’t they talking to me and giving me the option of going out with them? it seems that, beautiful women are only approached by men who are over-compensating for something (e. he cheated and eventually left her for a really homely woman. i recall once feeling guilty for blowing off a guy who was just obnoxious to me. i have never countered anything resembling a hook up culture in the post-grad, professional world. they still wouldn’t respect them any more, and they’d still be helping them to ruin themselves for ltrs with guys in their own league. i’d be interested to hear what the guys think of this – what % to discount these stories? it is not plausible, much less reasonable, to ask women to see beyond poor and inept delivery. many women don’t even know they’re acting against their best interests. i mean some of these idiots rate “omg i came in my pants hot” movie stars like 8’s. a couple of drinks and biological programing to be sexually impulsive around highly attractive members of the opposite sex can make fools of us all. given the realities of the male drive, it is pretty much inevitable that large majority of their advances will be rejected by women, and there’s nothing bad or evil about that fact in itself. in addition, recent research shows that both women and men disrespect men who are highly promiscuous. if you’d shown up looking like a cougar he probably wouldn’t have afforded you the same respect.’d be much more of a story if as a whole, young girls all of a sudden were getting back to being chaste and waiting for love, rather than taking off their clothes and participating in wanton lustful behavior. sometimes they fail to make good choices, when impulse overrides reason.”hi susan,isn’t true that most men are intimidated by beautiful women(you know 8s or higher). again and again and again……this is proof positive that nobody should ever try to even hook up with people who frequently participate in the bar and party scene or even any scene lending itself easy to alcohol (which is the most frequent venue of origin of such sexual activities). the argument seems to be that women feel sexual pressure to give consent to things that aren’t in their best interests.”promiscuous women marry all the time, if you count sex before marriage as “promiscuous”. if your casual fling doesn't know the real you, how can they want a relationship with you??unless there is a guy or guys in the group who will stand up and say no way and ostracize the liar. women are the ones who decide what enters or stays out of their legs.”if this were a pie chart, b (wanting to fit in) would be at least 60 percent in my opinion., compare this to my knowledge regarding girls who are officially involved romantically (read: dating) some of my teammates. i too thought the comments were funny – i especially loved the pic of the guy pushing a woman down the stairs. sure, we have some of the typical “limousine liberals” here for sure, but there are tons of conservatives, much more than you’d expect to see at an ivy.*no sense you can immediately drop your front, be your considerably less than cool/hip self and not get a sour lemon-swallowing look on the other person’s face. it ethical for me to pray for early onset male pattern baldness for him? when men know that investing emotionally in a girl and courting her with at least some future promise of commitment is the only way to gain sexual access, they’ll start treating girls with more respect(look back into history prior to the sexual revolution and you’ll find copious evidence for this). i can’t guarantee what’s happening among young people today, but i am certain that “good guys don’t show up” was categorically wrong — let me make that categorically wrong — when i was that age. “i didn’t like my last job” generates different what’s than “i have always wanted to work for a startup” similarly when it comes to “commitment”, the why of “i’ve tried the short term thing and didn’t like it”, will consist of very different what’s than for “i cherish what my parents have. but still, he should have been able to snag some of the lower ranking women in his community for short term relationships and he wasn’t even able to do that. if you really want to give girls greater leverage in the dating marketplace, tell them to work on getting hotter looking. if you think women are the ones with all the options, i think you might be underestimating the number of women who are not at all interested in casual sex. you’ll be totally confused because he’ll be hot one minute and cold the next and you’ll spend a ton of time trying to decipher his behavior. of course, buried in this number is some percentage (i'd guess around 20% for both sexes) that has a high number, and 10-15% who graduate virgins. guys respect these girls more because of increased emotional investment. no strange man would look at me and suspect that i was even able to think about sex. in the same way, there are signs that point to douchebag manwhore behavior. that is not at all in the best interest of women in general. they don’t have to give everything to guys who have absolutely nothing good to say about them at all. or do you do your homework and think it through, checking out some models which don’t get the most add time in case you might find a diamond in the rough?.That’s because they’re all spending hours blogging and battling on comment thread wars. i can honestly say that i wouldn’t have done some things that i have with guys if i had at the time known how to assertively communicate that i didn’t want to do those things.

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(note, you don’t have any moral obligation, i don’t think, to accept pain following an interaction that was purely initiated by someone else; but, it can still be the right thing to do.@kenny powersi think a lot of girls assume that they’re in group 2 when they’re really in group 1. a 5 that works her tummy off and dresses better yada yada yada and become a 7 is going to have a much better time of things. further claim that “players” (i’m assuming you mean largely game practitioners) are getting sex via deceit is hilarious – is this the same susan walsh who thought a man should be snared into commitment by lying about your partner count?@ reformed tomboy“there is a difference in terms of context when it comes to saying no for women. otherwise we would end up marrying a lot more men than we do. but the vibe i’m getting from the replies to esau and some blanket statements from the female posters above makes it seems as if this is a problem that is somehow unique to rougher on women, and that’s just not true. i’m not sure it matters whether the homely woman puts out or not, they despise her anyway because she has low sex rank. will they simply ignore you if they think you’re not available for immediate sex since they can always get it elsewhere? many women do supply their own constraints, and a player is a man who does not respect them, and will pretend real affection to dismantle them, only to leave her in pain after he is sexually satisfied. clearly a firmer moral compass would have kept her out of trouble, he did take advantage of that fact. intrasexual female competition prevails, though, and women do use it to justify excusing rejection by men.”my whole thrust has been that women are not by and large sexually attracted to devotedly monogamous men, and that this trend will exacerbate as more and more restrictions on social behavior are lifted. an attention hungry 21 year old from a broken home gets taken advantage of by the most powerful man in the western world, and those few minutes of her life ruin the rest of it. thank god i did not marry him, we would have had to go through a very messy divorce. however, i do not condone pretending your number is 7 when it’s 37, and i would not do it myself, or recommend that any woman actively misrepresent her history. women like to think that men have it easy, or at least that certain men have it easy; but remember that even pua’s and successful womanizers are still playing against long odds. in many ways, this dynamic is an appropriate metaphor for our society. i’m not sure what’s behind this and would love to hear some female commenters’ opinions. i said that women have every right not to share that information, and to change their lives by changing their promiscuous behavior.” or “if you think i’m sweet, i’m doing something wrong.@reformed tomboy, i merely stated that, "there are very few mainstream american women who make it to the age of 21 having had only 1 sexual partner.@grerpthat his daughter’s wedding was celebrated as an american royal wedding and he got to walk her down the aisle and stand in the happy father/husband spot in the pictures says it all.’s just been a huge change in the last few years with fellow women saying to wait is “manipulative. “regular girls” have no trouble at all being disagreeable to unattractive men, so your statement is only true with regard to men that are attractive and/or in whom the girl is invested. for short-term mating, they prefer women with a high sex drive and a high degree of sexual experience. guys you like and may want to date later will know to, and if they find out you gave their buddy a hasty rimjob it will color their perception of you. but they shouldn’t expect a stranger they knew was a jerk to suddenly become mr. especially when women are willing to do pretty much whatever you want if you’re experienced and on top of your game. over time i have learnt to say “no” better but at times it is still challenging. i think any guy who has had a harem will tell you flat out that it takes a lot of time and energy, and doesn’t leave a lot leftover for snarking at people online. i encourage women to take full responsibility for their choices.’s why i said it’s terrible luck to be targeted by one of these guys – there’s very little one can do to defend oneself. i’ve had girls i’ve tried to date flat out say that they have no idea how to respond to me because i try to be decent to them, and they’ve “never dated a guy who is so nice”. sort of the like the honor system when it comes to not cheating in b-school or at university. he wasn’t burned but his face wasn’t symmetrical. if “many women learn from their mistakes”, what’s the point of this blog? the other hand, you could say they’re performing a service for other men. i’ve done some rather outlandish things in relationships, but the guys all still respected me because they knew that i’m “not that kind of girl” — that is, i wouldn’t do anything without love. i feel empathy for any girl who learns this lesson the first time.-i will also say that i will not white-knight or play nice guy for these kind of women.’s time to finally give up on that guy who’s not into you.”i still don’t believe waiting to weed out the ones who can take me or leave me, is “manipulative..on the receiving end of all this rejection, of course, are men. it does create some other social dynamics(some of which i eluded to in comments on other recent posts), but wildness is not one of them. at the same time, i think it’s fair to warn women that highly promiscuous men are 1) unlikely to commit to a relationship and 2) unlikely to make good relationship material.’s to prevent someone from falsely claiming they got with so-and-so, and so-and-so was nasty, degraded, and did, x, y, and z, and a rimjob etc. you wrote, “the average college student, both male and female, leaves school with a mean of <2 sexual partners. is a subset of the player 3 category, maybe another category onto itself, and again i’m familiar with this due to my time bouncing and associating with those guys. saddest part of the story is what young women took away from this: blow jobs aren’t really sex (but you’d better learn how to do them anyway). like this – i think this might satisfy the other guys too. these men would fit the extreme player iii profile – sociopathic.@athlonethey won’t stop until girls suddenly shut those types of guys off from sexual gratification and start demanding to be treated differently. some of it is intelligence(less likely to make impulsive decisions), sometimes its even just social awkwardness(lots of really smart kids = some uniquely weird interactions). basically, as soon as a freshman girl had hooked up with anything more than 2 guys, there were stories out about her and, feeling chastened, she’d close down.. i don’t even know how to advise women to guard against such a man . he was a chemist and had been involved in an explosion of some sort. i’m saying i dont care why a man wants a serious relationship. the line at desperate/compulsive “i wouldn’t want people to see me out with this girl” sex. is, this guy is not unusual – nor are the commenters. this is how guys talk among themselves, and women need to understand it. of course she can entrap something higher than a 5 early on with a pregnancy or something.@susanthe problem is when we start looking at the “how” and “why” when it comes to men having to adapt and “show up” at all…then we’re right back at all those uncomfortable truths that male commenters often have a hard time delivering sans bitterness and/or judgment. what really steamed me was that now refused to condemn him at all, though they had called for bob packwood’s head for far less. and i are in the minority presuming that [women] actually have the ability to make their own choices. this is not advice or a recommendation – i’m being honest here, which i said at the time, and am not claiming the moral high ground in any way. i take relationships very seriously as you probably can tell, and i would only divorce as an absolute last resort if my spouse did something truly awful (infidelity, violence, etc. i think the guys going into politics know this, and they marry the one they are “supposed to marry” because they want success more than they want to be with the one they’re sexually attracted to. when these women, who are socialized in such a way, are put in a situation with a boy who they really like and must say no to unwanted sexual advances, many simply do not have the maturity or wherewithal to say no. i still really welcome your input, and hope you’ll keep commenting. that’s my experience, and the experience of nearly all my friends: nice guys try, but women say no. and i realize that guys do this and girls need to know it. i will never be roissy or roosh, the type of player with the ability to completely disconnect myself emotionally from girls i hook up with and treat them like sex dolls. but does it do any good to not hook up, if stories can be told that you did anyway…and believed? i’m pretty sure he just asked her to drive home her humiliation…and he knew what a fucking incredible, barely believable story it would be.

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telling women to actively value fidelty and trust over transient pleasures is one thing, but painting them as victims of vampire-like lotharios is absurd and insulting. many are probably terrified to talk to women, have no idea how to flirt, and our scared of rejection, so they just don’t try. how anyone can type the contrary without having their very keyboard burst into flames is beyond me. that is, most guys will not make a relationship “official” without being sexual first. a man is willing to tolerate lower quality women if he lacks the status or means to secure higher quality mates, but don’t expect him to be bouncing off the walls in joy at the prospect. say something like, "i totally get that you might not have been expecting this, and we don't need to figure it all out right now — i just wanted to put that on your radar. same guys would probably do cartwheels for barbara streisand (ew). sex is so powerful a force that people without a good deal of ego strength can really be messed up by it. but then most hot guys are wise to that anyway. their biggest problem in the coming years will be more and more men are going to tune out as they wake up to the fact how lopsided and discriminatory the system is towards them. all of these women knew better, but weren’t thinking with their heads. writing or advising them to do the contrary is a waste of time. the odd time i’ve ended up making out with a guy while drunk i stop early on and make a point of laying out the boundaries and none of those guys have pushed for more and in fact they’ve always said something to the extent of “i know – you’re not that type of girl. why do women need any external moral guidance at all? don’t know how you can say that i’m blaming a small cabal of men. have shorter careers due to child birth and are generally less willing to work as many hours as men. and when people do manage to find it, they want to keep it and have it last forever..the same goes for this subject of being unable to say “no” to the request/demand of a man you’re invested in, even if it’s something that you don’t want to do or which makes you feel uncomfortable. men also find it difficult to say no to hot women, while have no problems completely shutting down the cigstaches of the world. i could tell you some just crazy stuff, i mean just f’en crazy. we just need reeducation camps for all men to learn the proper respect for all women including those who allow themselves to be used like tissue paper for jacking off. that’s hard for college women for the reason that making that choice often means sitting it out without much male attention for four years. think susan’s mission is to help guide a certain subset of women to make better dating/mating/hookup/sexual choices for themselves irrespective of the overall smp. right now, i just want to make one point without distractions: the “good guys don’t show up” canard is wrong, and i don’t want to keep hearing it. it’s about having the connection first, and waiting to have sex only after both people are in love. just because your language looks “scrubbed” on paper doesn’t mean that you weren’t cruel; even body language alone can do the job, whatever words you’re speaking. so we may end up in this weird area in between hookups and relationships. curious, when you say “doing my best to be nice and approachable” what exactly do you mean by that. very few women in my own b-school class stayed in the fast lane for more than 5 years or so. i’ll agree with the former, but am not sure what strategy you’re recommending to address it, other than “start being attracted to different men. we both knew relatively quickly that we wanted to spend the rest of our lives together and become a family, but we waited and were in a committed relationship for a year before the legal marriage. i don’t blame them at all; if i were a guy, i might do the same. for what things my husband gains: i love him, i want to and try to make him happy, give him daily backrubs, cook for him, make his breakfast, pack his lunch, clean the place, do the laundry, help bring home the paycheck, manage the bills, play video games with him, support him emotionally, listen to his venting about stress and life, talk with him about silly things and serious things, and of course give him lots of fun in the bedroom.@susan, you first wrote, “many college women have had sex with 20, 30, even 40 different men. he described how desperate she was to get him “hard” one time, so much so that she said “what can i do?.no matter how you slice it, it always comes back to the same inconvenient fact: if you, a woman, have choice (as most women do) and picked a bad man when better men were available (as they certainly are), then whatever bad behavior you’re suffering is largely self-inflicted. is where i think a lot of women get themselves in trouble emotionally. many women want a boyfriend in order to fit in/have higher status/at least avoid total zero status. often guys get hypercritical of a woman’s looks, even if she’s probably out of their league. i never said “all behavior is ethical” – my very point was that unethical behavior isn’t held in check by anyone, not even the government, meaning there’s effectively no ethics in the first place. i recall that women everywhere tried to get a roots beret after that.’m not saying it makes sense, but that’s the prevailing attitude where i come from. from what i see from my teammates, only their closest friends(4 or 5 members of their “clique” who talk regularly and often) will know anything, and those guys won’t spread it around much either. joe:your boys are ass hats, and they are actively screwing somebody over. this was morally wrong, but i still fault the former prez more than monica. many women fail to realize is that being “chosen” by a guy for the purpose of hooking up says little about her worth, or her attractiveness relative to her peers, even in his eyes. even men who aren’t bedding anyone are essentially players as soon as they enter the world of ‘dating’ because that’s the only ethical mode they can possibly occupy in a culture that doesn’t supply constraint., on the previously mentioned vineyard vacation, he did buy monica a black dog t-shirt. for a lot of guys, telling the truth about stuff like this is a point of honor and getting women in the sack is serious business that they invest time and energy in doing. illegitimacy, for example, is damn near unheard of in most of their backgrounds, and when they leave they seem more apt to marry and begin that same cycle again than others are. guys aren’t just a bunch of mindless, heartless sex machines. have absolutely have no experience with good women, nor a decent imagination do you? of the most commonly held positions i find on the web is that women lack free will. the women who are less confident of their attractiveness are more likely to take a “now or never” approach – they suspect the real reason they’re getting attention from guys, but they are first relieved, and then dependent, on that kind of validation. think all this is irrelevant now as the pay gap between men and women has now been reversed. if being a pricks and offering zero emotional investment continues to get guys laid, then they’ll continue to do it. i was in college there was a cute girl on a sports team who was deaf and had a speech impediment.@dilithiumis it really beyond women’s capabilities to see beyond the surface of inept delivery to the core of other, good qualities beneath? a few things:1) these guys would be screwing these women over even if they didn’t make fun of them about it after. one guy described how his frat had a special name for girls who had had sex with at least three brothers: toasters. 🙂it occurs to me that the sp feminists who love you so much, susan, and the guy commenters here and elsewhere who firmly believe that, since guys would (apparently) be happy knowing that someone out there would be willing to have casual sex with them means that women, by definition, have it better, sort of make the same argument:guys value and aren’t (apparently) damaged by casual sex.”that’s fine, but the men that women will turn down are still the type who know how little value any individual girl has to him. very common theme i’ve seen has been of “selective obliviousness”.@dalrocki think the thing which irks me the most about the sexual revolution is how many people want to freely switch between standards of morality depending on what currently suits them best at the time. with perhaps a few gifted exceptions, men eat, drink and sleep rejection. yes, women are socialized to be nice, but nowadays, so are men. as a public service, let me re-acquaint you with reality as it stands on planet earth:. the reasons for why a man wants to commit (my definition) are not important to me as long as he is ready to do so. the hockey player in the post is not a good relationship bet, because he wants only sex.”i don’t know how relevant the “men follow your lead” part still is in the present hooking up atmosphere though. there a way that men can become more sexually attractive to women? fact is, men often take very pragmatic views about their partner’s sexual attractiveness. this is the first step toward establishing your value as man independent of the women around you and avoids the pitfalls that some guys (well, a few) fall into when learning game: that increased success with women leads to an increased need of the validation that they can bring. herecoachingebooksadvertisecontactcarthow guys really feel about the girls they hook up withsusan walsh •. way, the pastures are only “greener” for a select minority of men so if some women can adjust their “standards” and make “better” choices, there most certainly will be men willing to “commit” (monogamous relationship) for a reliable supply of sex.

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for a guy they do not like or even find unattractive there is generally no difficulty in rejecting, being disagreeable, very assertive, or even flat out cruel with some. i was quiet, introverted, and i stayed out of the limelight. so girls drink a lot to overcome their natural inhibitions and boys drink a lot to work up the courage and voila! if this woman, or any other woman, wants to avoid this fate then the answer is simple: don’t lie down with an asshole in the first place. it’s so simple, in fact, that it’s insane how much time us women spend trying to figure out what a guy’s thinking. it’s the same reason that successful societies tend to collapse into decadence.”this is an area where women may actually be exaggerating their sexual experience, for fear of feeling like a unicorn. next time you think about hooking up with someone, ask yourself if the things he’s saying are among the potential lies men tell to seduce you. he of course thought i wanted to have sex or make out at least and things went from uncomfertable to borderline serious misunderstanding when it was revealed that i didn’t want any of these things. all inter-sexual acts between men and women, the most common — by far, bar none — is the act of a woman rejecting a man’s advance/request. many women are just not able to say, “it doesn’t matter what this awesome guy thinks about me when i refuse to hook up with him tonight. what i do know for certain is, that when i was your age i certainly talked to women, flirted, smiled, said hello, as did all my friends. on the other hand, you could say they’re performing a service for other men. in denice ann evans’ documentary spitting game she interviews several guys who “rave” about these girls. most of all, i want to be able to assume that i'm going to see him and hear from him regularly without feeling like i'm totally mentally unhinged.'s something magical about a fresh start in a relationship, whether it's something brand new or just trying to figure out how to turn a hookup into a relationship. a guy who wants to be your boyfriend will want to linger with you afterwards. but also similar when it comes to committed relationships – as we all become very tight lipped with the intimate details when we are dating a guy seriously or official with him. they don’t understand why i want to take them on real dates and actually listen to what they have to say. if you raise your daughter 1) to be extremely afraid of authority, anger, or disapproval, and 2) that any male in the entire world has authority over any female anywhere in the entire world, 3) that her entire identity and all chance for approval, acceptance, or success lies in “snagging” a man, and 4) that she has no right to decide anything for herself, an unintended consequence is you are raising a pushover with no authority in her “no. many of these women feel as though they got burned by players, but it seems as though many of these women get played over and over again, so it seems as though they are the ones to blame for their own poor choices? saddest part of the story is what young women took away from this: blow jobs aren’t really sex (but you’d better learn how to do them anyway). the next is never having sex with someone with whom he doesn’t intend to revisit. lest you mistake my intent in writing this post, let me make it clear that i don’t really have a problem with bigearn or any of the commenters. make a list of pros and cons to help you clarify what it actually is that you want — and if it's this person or not. unless she does something completely out of left field(like randomly cheat on him with like 4 or 5 guys one night and embarrass him socially), they will always uphold that respect, even after the relationship ends. the woman who scowls and turns her head when you look at her, the woman who refuses to smile back, the woman crosses her arms and looks bored when you open your mouth to talk to her — and, if you get over all those hurdles, the vast majority of the time a man’s reward is simply to hear that, no, the woman is not interested in hanging out later, or any time this century.@seeds of lifethere are a lot more reasons, but here’s the real rub: there is absolutely nothing you can do to prevent women from making terrible choices for themselves in the absence of any substantial social ethics. our ex-prez not only had a bit of a loose mom but also a charming, “traveling salesman” sort of father. perhaps i could introduce you to a man — or two, or three, or ten million — who’s just lived through his 1,000th firm and unmistakable rejection from a woman, and you can explain to him just how hard it is for women to say no.”it’s something i never thought about before until i had a quite good looking and charming boyfriend who hinted this at me. the only places where this doesn’t happen is in highly religious and sex segregated cultures where marriages are arranged. either (a) there’s been some sort of generational/plate tectonic change, so that young men today aren’t willing/able to put in the same work in approaching women that we did back then, or (b) nice guys are actually approaching you all the time, but you simply deem them unacceptably unattractive immediately — as happened to me and my friends twenty years ago — and don’t register the fact that they even tried. i’m sure that the vast majority of those women don’t feel sorry for the “nice guys” who are overlooked by the women who flock to douchey players. of times a young woman is given a choice to either go farther than she wants to with a guy or to lose the guy’s attention. he trying to be your boyfriend or just hook up? you yourself said, “incentives drive behavior”, yet it is not only women that offer incentives, it is also the guys you rack with and play along side. what is bad and evil, imo, is not recognizing reality for what it is, and instead indulging in ludicrous, self-serving fantasies about how accommodating, un-hurtful and eager to please women are. they don’t skimp on some of the typical family values either.@grerp i had a young man (mid-twenties, attractive, squeaky clean looking) offer me his seat at a parents’ meeting i showed up late to last night. your intimate details(how your naked body looks, how you perform in bed, weird habits you have, grooming details, etc, etc) will be made public, and many guys you don’t even know or like will be fully aware of them.” they want to please him because obviously they’re invested in what he thinks.”i’d to like to take this time to personally confirm that rock-ribbed republican women swallow as well. walsh– few women will be able to see this guy for who he is until they’ve already been profoundly hurt, even emotionally damaged by him. if you’re already in certain situations and you’ve started to feel some sort of connection and you’re desperate for that male validation you will likely have a harder time saying no. and it’s also why very few happy couplings originate in bars – for obvious reasons, the men who avoid commitment excel in those settings. but “women have a hard time saying no” is really an award-winning cut above, one for the record books. just a thought on those super-handsome men with plain jane wives. this probably would produce the same result – the guy would still be alarmed and threatened. if he’s settling for you because he can’t get who or what he really wants – disaster!“some women seem to believe that if they can be as good as a porn star, a guy will fall for them, or at least keep them around indefinitely. all the on-campus parties are “dry” meaning no alcohol, and they were also weekend-only.“if you’d shown up looking like a cougar he probably wouldn’t have afforded you the same respect. you’ve already mentioned that you’d rather lie to avoid pain; but, by the criteria mentioned above this directly suggests that being honest is a good approach, if you want to be compassionate, just from the fact that it would make you uncomfortable. many women as of now won’t and don’t have to worry about labels as they’ll continue to have casual relations with men. even in college, groups take out against someone who hasn’t done anything and all that person has done is not be beautiful or not speak perfectly. they have many of the traits that are attractive/turn women on." so hey, i would know — just because it's a fling now doesn't mean anything for the future. course, you’re right about lies – i’m not sure how any of this gets confirmed.“many women are naturally more attracted to bad boy player alphas and are tempted by the sex with them that they can’t easily say no. as i also confirmed at a recent wedding, little has changed about the hookup culture. i guess it doesn’t include keeping secrets, but at least women are held accountable for real behaviors, not made up ones. the 5 referred to here probably thinks she’s about to get a commitment – after all, they’ve hooked up a few weekends in a row, and there doesn’t seem to be another girl on the scene…. is perfect advice for men, and is roughly what i will tell my son when he is old enough. i realize that many girls may unfairly reject guys with perfectly good intentions when they’re asked out on a date or asked to hang out., why not throw a bout of impotence in for good measure., a man, as you described, who thinks any individual woman has very little value to him should not be in a relationship and would not want to be in a relationship to begin with. with perhaps a few gifted exceptions, men eat, drink and sleep rejection. you want to party, your only options are friday and saturday nights if you want to see a decent number of people, and some weekends you will find nothing. but if she is good looking, entertaining, fun to be around, and not a time/money pit then it is not as big a problem as you think. are very few mainstream american women who make it to the age of 21 having had only 1 sexual partner. the fact that they don’t say no to alpha assholes even though it could be hazardous for them not to is meaningful in that context. we don’t expect women to make good choices, so we don’t hold them accountable and we don’t warn them of the risks.@soxit’s up to men to understand that they’re not on women’s radars and make the necessary adjustments. boys are ass hats, and they are actively screwing somebody over.

contrast to the above, i had a young man (mid-twenties, attractive, squeaky clean looking) offer me his seat at a parents’ meeting i showed up late to last night. i can’t tell you how many times, i have been blown away by the sight of really good-looking guys, who are dating/married to very average looking women. again – i think it’s because the guys who are in those situations are more likely to have actively placed themselves there. have written about this topic, though it focuses more on herpes:I think as we get older, most (but not all) guys stop this kind of thinking, because most eventually realize how counterproductive it is.@aldonzathat’s because they’re all spending hours blogging and battling on comment thread wars., talking about how we shouldn’t blame the other woman because it’s our partner who was in the relationship and decided to cheat. why aren’t they talking to me and giving me the option of going out with them? if he or she only wants you to come over and have sex with him, that's not a great indicator that he or she likes you for who you are and wants to spend time with you because you're smart and interesting. that’s the truth, sad as it is, because everytime guys see her they will remember that story. if she’s a 5, guys might say “yeah, she is kind of average looking” behind her boyfriends back, but they won’t blatantly insult her and call her “disgusting” or “mannish” unless she already has a prior history and there are well known “stories” already available about her. it’s wrong, and i don’t want to keep hearing it. i didn’t want to make the post about her or feminism in any way, but i’m glad you made this point. so many random people demeans the physical act of making love in an intimate relationship, basically cheapening it to not much more than “just another penis or vagina.” most of the men advisers i read say to be like that. 31, 2010 257 commentsit’s been expressed by numerous women here, most recently by sara, the writer of the letter in yesterday’s post, that sitting out the casual sex scene in college means getting very little male attention. not the best strategy if you want to keep the poon train running on time. i went to a school of 1,000 and in an environment like that, we’d really shoot ourselves in the foot by sharing which girls did what with whom. a guy who wants to be your boyfriend will make you feel like a priority — you’ll sense that he wants you and is thinking about you because he’ll behave accordingly. sometimes they're cute and traditional, like "we met in line at starbucks," but more often than not, couples begin in this gray area: "oh, we hooked up for a few months before i finally had the guts to ask her if she actually liked me or not. do not agree that women can’t be trusted to make their own choices if you mean to include all women. when i say “prioritize” i mean exactly that, put first things first. we all gossip and talk behind each other’s backs but to be outright cruel to someone’s face?”and here i was thinking, because of his background, looks, neighborhood, etc that all guys like him were players. i get where you are coming from – women like the one in this post are understandable targets for good men who stand by while college hockey players discard women left and right. there are many indicators of this, for example if he answers the question “what do you want to do in life? what’s on you is that you slammed the door. but i had a very easy time saying no to casual hook ups, alcohol, cigarettes and partying. by sharing objective information about biology, research, economics, feminism, sexual psychology, and the experiences of real men and women i aim to arm young men and women with information that may help them avoid some of that. way this blog tries to orient the problem of modern sexual dynamics towards retarded caricatures of “players” is the height of hubris on the part of women. i guess i just enjoy giving advice/responding to posts like this because quite frankly i find women and dealing with them very interesting. way to avoid is to be a relationship only girl who doesn’t put out quickly. i can write post after post about red flags, and most men will give clues to poor character, or at least their unwillingness to commit.’s up to men to understand that they’re not on women’s radars and make the necessary adjustments. people who have no emotional investment in you beyond getting their rocks off won’t care about your feelings, your right to privacy, your social standing and your sensitivity. for my daughter however i’ll point out that plenty of other women are capable of looking past poor initial delivery to find high quality guys. the jerk has ruined himself for relationships, same as the woman who rode that carousel. however as a guy i actually have been legitimately oblivious at times because i admittedly suck at picking up on subtle hints. if you came dressed as an orangutang you would have had an offer of marriage. i’m willing to bet that this is the experience of a lot of young women. so, unless you’re willing to make the argument that there’s been a huge generational change in a short time, then i don’t want to keep hearing the “good guys don’t show up” canard. in fact, many women learn from their mistakes, just as men do!” it sounds like you have had a bad experience with one or more women. they don’t want to be humiliated and called names behind their backs, and i can sort of understand that. is not alone; her feelings are typical of many young women in college who want a relationship, not a random hookup. but if i were talking to an executive who wanted to sell more cars i would still tell him he needs to hire more smooth sales guys and buy more ad space. common lies that men tell women that we choose to believe . you’d be surprised at the things (young) women are willing to do for men they’re attracted to…and i’ve definitely heard girls talk shit about the guys they hook-up with, but i think the difference is that guys don’t care as much—unless he’s impotent or something. the stuff above is pretty tame actually compared to stuff i heard back when i was bouncing, and from the “player” i work with. since when is not slamming the door in some woman’s face considered an act of chivalry? other times they lack good information from which to draw., erdos, the sexual market you’re describing only exists sometimes in some places for some people., i know that many young women in college would rather say yes and get it over with than risk a confrontation with possible aggression. i said that women have every right not to share that information, and to change their lives by changing their promiscuous behavior. i haven’t even morally judged men who have lots of sex with different women”and why not? they get perplexed, confused and in most cases turned off, and very soon after i’ll hear another story involving them and a hookup with some guy who could care less about them as human beings but is content to just get his rocks off. the next time you’re agonizing over what’s going on, just ask yourself these five *obvious* questions to keep yourself in check:Who’s doing most of the texting? my generation went to grade school during a time when we were bombarded with campaigns to be inclusive, stop bullying, appreciate multiculturalism, etc. they are grown women and that is the decision they made. do however think that it can be a harder problem for women – largely in that women are more likely to regret those split second decisions more so than a man will. some girls just seem to feel like it’s rude or unkind to say no, firmly and decisively. the generalizations you are making are fairly common among critics of selective higher education, but if you actually came and spent enough time here, you’d lose them quickly. say women are not attracted to monogamous men, but why do i know so many women who are monogamous and who are with monogamous men? bear in mind what i’ve said so far about the total absence of punishment for or constraint over sexual transgressions. is this true of the “player” types but not of the nice guys, and the nice guys aren’t getting a look in with women who want to reserve sex for a long-term relationship? that is not the same as saying they seek men who never commit. he talked about how he hooked up with her(the way he described her was nothing more than how one would describe some sort of sex toy, just a tool really). this whole post started with discussion of some man’s behavior, degrading a woman he’d been with to his friends, that i would certainly describe as “asshole-ish” (perhaps “assholic”? all advice i ever got was “use a condom” and that pushed me into doing it way too early simply because no-one had explained me why i should wait. i go to parties, games, lectures, plays, dance performances, etc. in my view, that is the ideal place for a girl to potentially meet a “decent” guy type who just isn’t after getting laid right away, and it provides a forum where a guy can potentially engage in conversation without getting shot down right away. look back on my relationship history and i had no intention of marrying any of the men i dated – until i met my husband. story… at the beginning of the summer i ran into a friend at lunch, who introduced me to a bartender friend of hers. there’ll be some cuddling, some pillow talk, maybe you’ll get coffee together or even breakfast. story regarding this girl, btw, was told to the entire football team assembled in the meeting room. i would imagine you’d want a straight, fairly honest rejection instead of a platitude that insults your intelligence.

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women are experts, grand masters, black belts in saying “no”, with thousands of hours of flight training under their belts (no pun intended). guess it just shows how little respect is shown in amongst the hooking-up scene – for girls and guys. this is one thing i wondered about at the time you first said it. put down the porn guys, go outside… meet an actual woman. i have friends like this; trust me, i know what they do. i’m really enjoying blogging because it gives me the creative outlet.. not just because of the derogatory ways in which they are talking about these women they have hooked-up with but just the thought that i have most likely been discussed in this exact way to someone else too.’m in such a situation right now with a co-worker who keeps calling me “sweetie” and “dear”. which means that angelina got a cheater in the bargain.) i can’t answer for anyone else, but i’m basically looking for someone that feels the same way. won’t tell anyoneyou’re amazingi never do thisi have a high paying jobi can’t wait to be a fatheri just want to cuddle. i’m really talking about threads where guys say “she’s too skinny, i wouldn’t hit that,” etc. women have trouble saying no to men they don’t find attractive? writing or advising them to do the contrary is a waste of time. i really don’t know how most men feel about that. so you might want to re-visit how realistic, or restrictive, you’re being in your judgement here.) trying to look “nice” and inoffensive in a rejection can really be a way of using your leverage to preserve a positive image for yourself, which is cruel because your self-image comes at the other person’s expense. ignorance is bliss, until they realize they never get the commitment. it’s other women saying it’s “manipulative” to hold out for a commitment. if you find that either (1) you can’t detect assholes in advance, or (2) you can’t resist assholes, then you’ve identified the main problem as being in yourself, not in the men of the world. at age 12-13, all men will be forcibly removed from their households, and sent to spf sex reeducation camps led by amanda marcotte.,You asked how women can avoid men like the hockey player when they often hide their true asshole-ness from girls with whom they are trying to score. way to avoid is to be a relationship only girl who doesn’t put out quickly., those three come up all the time on this blog! the older guys would steer the pledges or guys they hoped to pledge to these toasters at parties. women are socialized to be nice and please others, like susan and the other women commenting have said. of those women choose to be with players, so why should we feel sorry for them? a vast change in culture and societal norms and perhaps the reintroduction of certain behaviors being shamed. wish someone had told me instead, “sex is something you might want to wait with because of x, y and z. i think with all the focus on the physical act of sex, people forget about the heart and soul of love, that it is not just about the “hottest” partner or the one with the highest “objective” sexual market value, but about something deeper and more magical. well i think most of the girls doing most of the hooking up and 7s (pretty) 6’s (cute) and 5s (plain; kinda cute), who can basically only get solid alphas or lesser alphas by hooking up with them. and women won’t be able to find men to support them as the jobs they took away from men pretty much is a guarantee that many will end up single for the remainder of their lives. also, i agree that extremely good looking women are most likely to pursue this strategy. a group of other girls would call guys on the phone and pretend to be her, asking guys out with a fake speech impediment that sounded like the deaf girl. let’s throw in some nasty genital rashes for good measure. if you've been acting like you're fine with the hookup, it's now time to start changing your behavior and see if her or she reciprocates. as long as these women are not going to remain viable as marriage material and insist on rejecting good men, i desire to see the destruction of their reputations and self-esteem to be thoroughly finished. you’re doing it again, making a general statement about the way girls and women feel and act, which is in general not true. i would add that since many operate under the assumption that women don’t have moral agency that this can lead to the very lack of information you reference. young men today have little incentive to commit and to respect the privacy of their female hookups, so they don’t do it. because i can guarantee you that the woman who is the subject of this thread would not find these comments benign, especially the original question from bigearn. as you put it, we did give women the chance to go out with us, but vanishingly few took us up on it. don’t know your background, but you don’t seem to be a participant in american hookup culture. sometimes people spend their entire lives pining after lost loves. met this hot blond at [irish bar] and she blew me in the bathroom. i think the case of ml and clinton is obviously an extreme example – she was no pillar of moral strength, but i always felt that the power imbalance and age difference lay the blame primarily at his feet. hooking up will come after hanging out in ways that don’t involve hooking up.. i’m singleif a man really wants to hook up with you, he’s not going to risk you walking away.“plenty of women can attest to how much pressure there is on regular girls to be agreeable and noncontroversial”. i am somewhat acquainted with this girl, and she seems to be a pretty decent person overall. many of us aren't waiting to have sex, and we aren't establishing boundaries and labels in our interactions with the men or women we're interested in.@esauwhat is bad and evil, imo, is not recognizing reality for what it is, and instead indulging in ludicrous, self-serving fantasies about how accommodating, un-hurtful and eager to please women are. i highlight examples like this because women need to understand how they’re really seen by the men they’re hooking up with. but i’m not sure if the explosion was to blame. these are little signs that your fling could be heading towards some sort of real relationship. @dalrock:i think susan’s explanation of this women saying no subject is really good, much better than mine. saying all this i know personally with my group of girlfriends we can be rather ruthless and share intimate details about guys we’ve hooked up with in rather derogatory ways too.“can anyone explain why in the world a man would ever “commit” (modern definition) to a modern girl, who can leave or even cheat on him at any time without a single consequence? the answer, most likely, is that you’re not attracted to a man who respects you; and, once again, we locate the problem as being in you, not in men at large. might find out something that will destroy any feelings you have for him. this outright rudeness/ insensitivity/meanness you’re talking about when it comes to interactions between the sexes – i see it rarely. the woman is indeed probably quite happy with the arrangement, and she will be until he “deletes her number” which he is on the verge of doing.) however, in a situation where the two are meeting for the first and possibly only time, then it’s unlikely a woman will see past inept delivery because she has no knowledge of his other qualities. they had an ugly dog and i remember everyone said the dog looked like the husband. when you start hearing “-2” regularly screamed across the room at parties, then you know you’ve been successful. that’s my experience, and the experience of nearly all my friends: nice guys try, but women say no. because to me, it seems that the latter is pretty much in the same boat with dark game – misleading someone intentionally, and in a way that is probably detrimental to their well-being, in order to get what you want in the smp.“the college version of this is women automatically despising their bf’s exes, or their ex’s new gf. is it really that difficult to avoid such absolute assholes among men? not having kids is something you should seriously think about. i say no all the time – even in the heat of the moment. it’s safer for me to just ignore girls i like(and most of the others to) than to actually try and court them. or just that former party girls should get their just desserts? that’s paternalism, and women everywhere have shaken off and excoriated patriarchy. think the thing which irks me the most about the sexual revolution is how many people want to freely switch between standards of morality depending on what currently suits them best at the time.

Is He Trying To Be Your Boyfriend Or Just Hook Up? Ask Yourself

but it’s telling to me that big brother doesn’t know if she has or she hasn’t. they come to think they’re above the need for the petty morality of the little people. i’m saying i dont care why a man wants a serious relationship. women are socialized to be nice and please others, like susan and the other women commenting have said. grew up with three brothers, and what they pounded into me growing up was, “there are girls men play with, and there are girls men take seriously. and serial cheaters are very good at preying on the young and stupid, getting hopes up and even lying as to their marital status to get what they want. i haven’t had a gf in years but i like to think that i consistently hook up with 7s or so on a pretty regular basis. okay fine…how does that make them any different from men? it’s mixed company, we’re all civil most of the time, and there’s no need for snide commentary. if women have free access to any kind of relationship with anyone they want, with the onus being completely upon them to make any decision at any stage in time, they will act in a way that immediately satisfies their emotional and physical desires. so back to the point, some guys who’ve probably experienced very harsh rejection are hearing this “well we just give in to what the guys want”, know it doesn’t square with their reality at all, but don’t realize it is only the 10-20% of men women find super attractive that they have a hard time saying no to. do you really want a guy or girl who acts like that? because then they start talking about the girl they do in fact like that they see as out of their reach (i’m assuming because she won’t jump into bed with them straight off the bat) as though she is on a pedestal and asking me for advice. women have free access to any kind of relationship with anyone they want, with the onus being completely upon them to make any decision at any stage in time, they will act in a way that immediately satisfies their emotional and physical desires. that’s not in my nature, and i accept that this choice will mean less sexual gratification for me. these days i shake my head at finding out that my twentysomething nephews manage to get girlfriends just by texting, because when i was single, courtship was the norm. a guy who only cares about hooking up won’t text you unless you text him first, except when he’s horny, of course. the difference between middle class and the mega-wealthy has increased tremendously. comment here was specifically to refute the “good guys don’t show up” canard that you and so many other women can’t let go of.“good guys don’t show up” is not an objective statement of fact. being with him for a while i realized he had some “issues” that would turn some women off.’s interesting that you mention the sp feminists – there’s a certain irony in their insisting that women aren’t built to want emotion with sex, even though they’re living it. you’re retreating to simply informing women that these men are “[not] good relationship material”, that bodes as ill for their future happiness as would doing nothing. she has summer-teeth… some go this way, some go that way. we don’t have that many options when so many guys are trying to get in on the free sex bandwagon. women need to realize how they’re discussed the morning after. really, i think guys need to think twice about telling these kinds of stories.@annisome girls just seem to feel like it’s rude or unkind to say no, firmly and decisively. women like the one in this post obviously don’t, but that is not true for all women, or even a majority. it’s not bad, or good, that men view sexual partners this way.” no, what i’m saying, on the contrary, is that women have a problem saying “no” to situations/people that they would avoid normally and it needs to be remedied. women could have all the casual sex they want, assuming they aren’t picky.@esau,i think i should say something even more basic. if you caluclate hourly wages, the differnce between men and women is much slimmer. i can’t say that there was an over socializing of this in my life, however, the message is loud and clear now that a woman with well-articulated opinions, preferences and boundaries is a “bitch”. he wasn’t burned but his face wasn’t symmetrical. that it’s virtually impossible to find a man who’ll wait and doesn’t just want sex? until women create these incentives, things will remain the same. sometimes they’ll just respond by being disrespectful to you. women marry all the time, if you count sex before marriage as “promiscuous”. complaining that women are being hurt by ‘players’ would be honestly laughable were the truth not so tragic..i’ve read a number of things on this blog that show just how disconnected from reality women can be (though, to be fair, i will credit female hus commenters as being noticeably less delusional than other communities, such as modern-day feminists)..here’s a good working definition: you’ve treated someone cruelly and/or harshly if (i) they come away feeling very bad, and (ii) you could have delivered the same information in a way that didn’t cause that. also feel like i’m the lucky one, because he does so much for me in return. you address that piece – the responsibility that every person has for his or her own happiness, then i’m afraid you’re bound to keep hearing the same things from women. the jerk has ruined himself for relationships, same as the woman who rode that carousel. and if they were able to do that, it would solve a lot of the problems, i think, because guys know how to take advantage of the gray, indecisive areas. as one of the other commenters once put it, women must own the problem before being able to do anything about it. i was only talking about situations where a girl is already getting to know a guy, dating him, hanging out with him, etc. guys aren’t just a bunch of mindless, heartless sex machines. anytime before then is a serious red flag to a guy. is almost no job growth in infrastructure building here in the us, and men excel at infrastructure. for example, if a girl blows off a guy’s advance with a transparently lame excuse, ie “no, i have to wash my hair that night”, you might not consider this “cruel and harsh” but i certainly would. a lot of those women have massive egos and refuse to settle for a guy who is of comparable attractiveness because they have deluded themselves into believing that they are more attractive than they really are.@erdosis there anyone other than susan (she’s still more than welcome to try) who can explain to me how women withholding sex, in a system where neither sex is held to any communal standard or constrained by any law, will produce commitment in their partners?: some girls just seem to feel like it’s rude or unkind to say no, firmly and decisively …..so, ladies, get it straight: being rejected is the norm for male life, and rejecting is the norm for women’s behavior.“i’ve seen threads where guys say they wouldn’t even consider having sex with megan fox. but the blanket statements on this forum (ie, “women really are inclined to be people pleasers – it’s in our nature, and it’s strongly reinforced in the culture. my friends at various state and private schools in new york, pennsylvania and new jersey can go out at least 3-4 times a week, and there is always at least one decent sized party on each of those days. i said repeately – and no doubt others on here said the same thing throughout this blog’s history – you’d do better to simply meet people who share common “high level” interests, hobbies, and activities.! i remember one time i took a guy up to my room, frankly just because i didn’t want to offend them. in my opinion, women who are average or slightly above average are more successful with men. then he described how desperate she was to get him “hard” one time, so much so that she said “what can i do? the whole purpose of this blog is to aid young women in making choices that lead to a man committing to them., i don’t believe we’ve met before, and your input is welcome – however, you should know that the kind of language and tone welcome at many of the game blogs is not really how we converse here. she was sexually free, unashamed of her multiple abortions, and aggressive. maybe they don’t want to admit that a man wants more than just friends, because she’s just not interested. can anyone explain why in the world a man would ever “commit” (modern definition) to a modern girl, who can leave or even cheat on him at any time without a single consequence? i’m curious to know if it still works this way in some places – where girls shut down once they get a rep., can you give an example of a compassionate way to turn someone down? why don’t you instead become invested in a man who’ll respect you and not make uncomfortable demands? do you want athlone to nag them about all that too? i don’t know how this would be accomplished but i assume it would have something to do with changing how american girls are socialized. i wish someone had told me instead, “sex is something you might want to wait with because of x, y and z.

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you understand that these men will just leave for greener pastures, right? as you put it, we did give women the chance to go out with us, but vanishingly few took us up on it. if you count all forms of advance and request — and there’s no reason you shouldn’t — then the typical man is rejected ten times a day, every day, for ten thousand days of his life. what has been said about saying “no” and women rejecting men. notice that the question of the ethics of preserving the reputation of the girls you’ve hooked up with has come up. what the girls mean is they get extra pressure by bad boys, and they don’t know what to do. in many schools, a girl with a reputation for hooking up winds up being torn between any negative attention she may get from some guys and other girls, and the positive sexual validation she receives from guys who will happily target a promiscuous girl. would you want to be rejected, if the roles were reversed? youre saying i don’t care what a man wants from a serious relationship. women need to realize how they’re discussed the morning after. i’m not going to say i don’t reject men. another way to think is in terms of standing; is there a way to reject someone that still leaves them with some standing and self-respect? he went on and on about it, saying “yeah , i met her, we hooked up a few times, i called her and she was available so whatever” etc, etc. that his daughter’s wedding was celebrated as an american royal wedding and he got to walk her down the aisle and stand in the happy father/husband spot in the pictures says it all. if you both understand this is drunken weekend happy time and you’re not involved…. it’s not surprising that many frustrated young women wind up dropping panties while drunk, hoping for the best, just to be included, part of the scene, having a normal college experience. in the exception to the rule the husband was a pretty homely guy with a fairly pretty but somewhat of a ball-busting harpy wife., not sure how i botched the cut and paste on that, but have revised my comment to address esau, which was my intention. the second hoop is to find a man who has expectations of monogomy that mesh well with mine.’s being said here is that although women are raised to be “eager to please”, then still have no problem shutting down guys—-unless they find them attractive. women are indeed the gatekeepers and that’s the point of the post – don’t give it up for alpha asshats. can’t guarantee what’s happening among young people today, but i am certain that “good guys don’t show up” was categorically wrong — let me make that categorically wrong — when i was that age. i was only talking about situations in which a guy is asking a girl to do something she’s not really comfortable with and she already knows the guy and likes him. recent story i heard was about another female athlete on campus and the hookups she had with one of my teammates. less girls at our parties and a harder time getting laid. so, that begs the question — how do you push your summer fling into an actual relationship? but when a girl enters into that agreement, she opens herself up to public ridicule amongst many of her hookup’s friends, and that information will spread quickly. think we need to differentiate some here, and just take a vacation from the word solipsism. it really should not be hard for people who share similar interests and hobbies to meet. unfortunately, i have no idea or solution how to get them “in the game”. might as well go for the girls who are ready for some bed hopping. even if there are no doubts, sometimes a simple background check is in order just in case. if anything, she’s been derided for poor judgment and extreme denial. and they don’t deserve a dressing down for asking the questions that women ask. for women, it’s not reasonable to think that a jerk with a promiscuous past is going to enjoy monogamy – perhaps ever. the problem with the guy who is so smooth that every woman wants him, is that while you are together his chances of cheating are exponentially higher than a less flashy guy. mainstream america women also make a distinction between short term and long term relationship men. the reasons why an individual man might want to commit to you are important. enough, but the whole point is that a small percentage of men – probably less than 5%, actually, are so good at playing the part of an honest, decent, caring and empathic individual that they successfully hide their true character long enough that a woman has thoroughly been conned into falling for them. if they work up the courage to talk to a girl, they go and screw it up by being completely oblivious to the signs she’s putting out and by not taking their friends’ (me!.clues can also be found in figuring out exactly why to avoid some approaches that you already know from experience are bad. i’ve seen threads where guys say they wouldn’t even consider having sex with megan fox. we did so poorly and ineptly, as judged by women’s responses; but we did get out there and try. a guy who’s all about hooking up will start getting antsy afterwards… instead of closeness, you’ll feel distance. no man would want to marry her now unless he was raised in a cave somewhere and knew nothing about her. we are easily made to feel guilty for not acquiescing – someone else gave the example of blue balls, which is a good one, i think. think both want the family life and are genuinely happy with that aspect. i work with a bazillion closeted gay men married to women who probably know the deal and are ok with it. he’d gotten there on time and was entitled to his chair. i recently went on a date with a woman who informed me that during her annual physical she was informed that she had cervical cancer cells in her body, although they had not yet formed a tumor. what a man/men expect out commitment is important to whether he is happy with his relationship. point is that the inability to say no to attractive people isn’t unique to women.“but there are some who will play the part of being everything a woman wants, only to dispose of her once he’s made the conquest. for a “partner” is a lot like screening applicants as a hiring manager and i’ve done a lot of both, so believe me when i tell you that why matters.: “it is not plausible, much less reasonable, to ask women to see beyond poor and inept delivery. that’s their decision, and while i was frustrated and somewhat saddened(especially when i was younger), i’ve come to accept it.’m not insecure but i do get some self-satisfaction out of trying to work new girls, but then again who doesn’t? some of the “field reports” i’ve read strain credulity based on the looks of the guy writing, in cases where his pic was available. women actively seek men with a history sans commitment, because it implies he has success with other women. at least this way other men get some warning about what these women are like. we have some of the stereotypical party dudes and girls here like you’d expect at college, but they aren’t as common at all because few of them actually get in. you might think this a contrived example, but i believe that most rejections by women have this same essential element: even if it’s couched in nominally soft or neutral language — in many cases, overly polite language is effectively even more insulting and offensive — the message gets across that she has no more regard for him than a bug. many of those women are destined to remain single the rest of their lives because of hypergamy. again, i think it just speaks to the fact that the average woman basically has no conception whatsoever of the dating/sex reality of the 0-75% percentile of guys. might also say he provided a service for other women. i know for a while in my last years flat we had a wall of shame for all the boys that left the flat on friday and sunday mornings. you basically have paper-pushers and managerial type of jobs left, which women fill to the satisfaction of their bosses due to their lack of “rebelliousness. call it the romantic in me or something, but i think this kind of connection transcends sex or physical contact. you cannot do what this blog is trying to do, which is keep the paradigm of the sexual revolution and guide women into following what’s best for them. they might enjoy screwing girls who quickly hook up with them and they will do so often just to get their jollies off. i don’t even know how to advise women to guard against such a man – with his skill, and absence of conscience or empathy, he will play a woman hard before she even knows what hit her. you tend to define it as a problem for women, and one that they can solve. there may be other ways in which guys have trouble saying no, but i think when it comes to sex, i think it’s decidedly more rare for the woman to be the one pushing for more than the guy is willing to give. point of this blog is to support people who want relationships and are finding them difficult to get in the smp. i did say that speaking for myself only, i would not share a partner count of 36, which is what the woman in the post had.