Multi impact vs single impact helmet

Multi impact vs single impact helmet

do you feel a need to push the helmet back on your head at all? can i assume that when you say “immovable surface” above you are talking about a 90 degree impact, rather than a low-angle sliding one? should add that mips technology sounds like it’ll help make helmets better, but the reality of physics remains. the “dork” factor, some not-so-cool looking helmets have been donned by folks who’ve suffered multiple concussions in nfl football. skateboarding, or aggressive, trick or extreme skating, look for a helmet that has a sticker inside saying it meets astm f1492. so i say snowsports helmets are not good enough and should be improved. more, you can build a better helmet, but it may not test well to legal standards such as european ce because it deals with impacts in ways the ce testing does not evaluate (similar problems with ski bindings, or anything for that matter. beyond that, it is physically impossible to more slowly decelerate a head in a helmet with such a small distance to work with. do you not truly believe most skiers/riders purchase and wear helmets these days, not so much for their protective capacities or for any helmet evangelist zeal, but for simply due to their popularity? i started wearing a helmet after they came into vogue and have never looked back. i do agree that focusing on low-speed, low-energy impacts is the way to go for sports like skiing. can chose to have some stronger thicker firmer flat cardboard on top of the boxes to spread the impact or not. i’d think most of the market was resort skiers, and given they – and their helmets – are carried uphill, i wouldn’t think a little extra weight would be a big deal. thoughts on the latest greatest technologies that we should keep an eye for in our next family helmet purchases? should clarify, there are full face snow helmets out there (giro, for example), but i can say i haven’t seen one person wearing one on the slopes yet (sans a couple in competition)., the helmet shell resists penetration from sharp objects and has a modicum of rigidity so the helmet holds up to day-to-day abuse as well as being able to slide easily on a surface when you take a tumble, but the helmet shell should deflect with no rebound in any significant impact. for biking, riding a scooter, recreational rollerskating and in-line skating, look for a helmet with a cpsc (consumer product safety commission) or snell sticker inside. it also doesn’t help that the ski helmet has to look “good. i like the australian work on liners that shows that an inner and outer eps that are somewhat independent offer the most protection from blunt impact and rotational force. however, a helmet will only protect when it fits well. i think the bike helmet would make even more sense then, being lighter and with excellent venting for the uphills. then we have helmets with crush zone measured in centimeters? so yes, there is a downside to wearing a helmet. thankfully my helmet took the blow from his mirror (otherwise i’d have lost my lower jaw) but his bar trashed my wrist. hope helmet manufacturers are reading this and come up with improvements., there has been a lot of argument suggesting that soft *shelled* helmets are more dangerous for bicycling as the whole helmet can deform easily, then “stick” to the road, thus increasing spinal injuries dramatically. matter how bad helmets are they are better than not wearing one. i’ll never ski alpine again without a helmet again. baseball batting helmets are an example of a single use helmet.’m not going to wear a helmet as i tour up that mellow logging road or make a traverse through trees. but job one is protection, after that they can brag about how “strong” their helmet is. as far as the backcountry goes, the data isn’t that great, but lapping a tree run just might be the best time to throw the helmet on the pack. this article refers to a study where they tried to emulate a real-life skiing accident and measure g forces on a helmet “protected” head. snowsports helmets need to look to the military to get ideas for how to better protect snow enthusiasts heads. climbers are calling for and putting their money down on lighter helmets but not safer helmets. the top-shelf helmets out there generally offer a crank or dial situated on the back of the liner that allows you to tighten or loosen the fit around your head. it’s my belief that the standards for snow helmets were “dumbed down” with the help of major industry players, who didn’t want to pay for snell testing and ratings, and didn’t want to make helmets to that level of safety and therefore price. vents on the helmet and goggle should line up to offer continuous airflow, helping to prevent dreaded foggy goggles and regulate your temperature. lou, you could get for each “wildsnow approved” sticker applied to each helmet. can call this collective homeostasis, but for the individual not increasing risk, it shows helmets do work. skateboarding, or aggressive, trick or extreme skating, look for a helmet that has a sticker inside saying it meets astm f1492. not wearing helmets is a problem because they die from it. the helmet certification sticker will designate which activities it is certified for. it’s hard to tune this exactly right because you don’t know when designing the helmet how much force is needed to do the stopping because you don’t know how much of the body mass is behind the impact or what the velocity is. more and more skiers and snowboarders are wearing helmets, and anecdotally, i can say that we see a much smaller percentage of those high acuity injuries than in past years. don’t wear a helmet thinking it makes me invincible. instead you have the assurance that the helmet passes a test that may or may not be an adequate representation of a (your) ski crash. if they can build a helmet that lasts forever — as well as being super protective — so much the better. if the helmet is fitted correctly it should cause your skin to move with it when you move.“there has been no significant reduction in fatalities over the past nine seasons even as the use of helmets overall has increased to 57 percent ”. guess the real problem with ski helmets is that we buy them assuming they are effective. it seems to be saying that because helmets won’t necessarily protect you from concussions then you could feel better about choosing not to wear a helmet.* there are what i’m inclined to call “park and pipe” helmets (basically aimed at skateboarder types) and likely to have to withstand repeated impacts without being replaced., though it is somewhat of a paradigm shift, try to put out of your mind that the shell of your helmet spreading force over your head is in any way protecting you from concussion.“soft” helmets is i think a bad term to use as it’s ambiguous. i wear a helmet at all times now and it has certainly helped in crash situations. if the helmet is fitted correctly it should cause your skin to move with it when you move. in such cases, the goggle and helmet vents should still line up to allow air to pass through. hope the mips style helmets like the giro and poc become more common. for the same thickness, a softer helmet might offer better moderate impact protection, but worse severe impact protection. was also a study recently out that said the higher the level of skier, the more likely the use of a helmet. article says that the helmet has been tested to european standards, and performs significantly better than a standard polystyrene helmet at reducing the g-force experienced by the brain in a crash. do have a few individuals/ groups here in canada that are pushing hard for mandatory laws for ski helmets. impact – means the helmet can withstand multiple impacts before losing its ability to protect. problem with helmet testing is that it is an expensive exercise. it needs to get better, and if existing helmet manufacturers dont do it, then there will be startup companies to innovate and fill this void., no impact is good, but how paranoid should i be? in reality, it certainly seems like both a ski and a mtb helmet should be similar, though there is the fact that hitting snow as a glancing blow with your head causes less gs than hitting something with more friction. it is even more difficult to develop a test to determine than helmet effectiveness. as with any helmet i think they need to offer more g-force protection for the brain by simply being thicker as there is no other way g force can be reduced than by increasing distance available for deceleration (basic physics? would be idotic for me to say or think helmets don’t reduce g forces, my point is helmets don’t reduce g-forces enough. snug fit helps keep you comfortable and also ensures your helmet can protect you to the best of its ability.’s very important to understand a helmet can only be perfect at a certain impact speed. obviously, if you can roll the helmet off with the straps secured… it’s too big! long as the perfect helmet is not available, i take what fits well, doesn’t look too stupid and is reasonably light. yes, i’ve been focusing on the actual helmet engineering as being meager (which it is), but indeed it all really comes down to respecting your own body and other people’s as well. like neck brace tech is a bit farther along than my giro ski helmet:March 30th, 2011 6:44 pm. personally, i think wearing a helmet is a good idea. that would open some eyes and set the helmet industry into a tizzy. a few might do this because of their helmets but i think there are other reasons this is happening. is information to help you choose the right helmet, how to fit it properly, and suggestions to keep you safe in a variety of sports and activities. for helmet evangelism, perhaps the ever constant yammering about wearing ski helmets would be better directed at the consumer product safety commission and helmet industry to up their standards, rather than applying peer pressure to your friends. for example, even if the average ski helmet was an ounce heavier it would still be quite light. total bs and very irresponsible of skiing mag to be implying that just because a melon receives less damage inside a helmet, that somehow means the helmet is adequately effective at preventing human brain injury. so we refer to what a helmet does in a crash as “energy management” rather than “absorbing” energy. thus, the only way helmets are going to make any quantum leap in protecting is if they’re thicker (either thicker all the time, or thicker due to a reactive airbag system or something else high-tech. that, my main point of this blog post was to bring up the issue of helmets not protecting adequately against concussions, since the damage from even minor concussions is cumulative, irreversible, and life changing. this especially true during backcountry skiing in mellow terrain with low avalanche danger, when the weight, expense and hassle of using a helmet can be rather absurd. doesn’t get around needing to test protection from various types of impact at different angles.“the difference between a helmet and the proverbial lead gonad shield is simple – your balls heal better than your brain.

Nfl single helmet rule

perhaps you’ll get over it when you see me skiing while wearing a helmet, which does happen (grin). a good deal else that is being said about helmets has a lot to do with nebulous personal feelings and perceived protection value, but not too much else. the range of impacts (getting hit in the head with a lift safety bar to hitting a tree at mach-looney) also complicates things, especially if the helmet must survive multiple impacts. used or hand-me-down helmets with care, and never wear a helmet that is cracked or broken. the continued banter, but in an effort to prevent misunderstanding, i’d like to take issue with your statement “it is already proven statistically that snowsports helmets are not saving lives…” – where are such things reported? lou, my friend’s son, a hs senior quarterback with 2 concussions already this season (i know, i know), was recently on our local news wearing a guardian football helmet cover. helmets these days are obviously a fashion item as much as anything practical. rode minibikes and motocross bikes growing up, and remember the whole snell vs dot debate. i understand that g-forces for heavy helmets are greater than for light helmets – in 68-74 i raced in my dad’s bell helmets he’d retired from auto racing. i can’t find any discussion, editorial, or anything about her helmet and concussion. me, this and vonn, sarah burke, etc indicate that current helmet design is lame. impact – is designed to protect you against a single impact, after which you must replace the helmet. of course no helmet is going to prevent every injury and i think it would be foolish to ever think they would. some helmets come equipped with a heated snow shield, and open face modular snowmobile helmets are available as well. football concussion “severity” apparently went down significantly with better designed helmets but have since plateau’d – basically sounds like it supports that point that you can only do so much without going thicker. not helmet courage, but what used to be called kodachrome courage, and now might best be referred to as gopro or youtube courage. above has the right idea – helmets aren’t perfect, but they definitely take the sharp edge off any collision., it is very difficult for the general consumer public to get the fact that a harder helmet shell can actually be detrimental to helmet safety, as it bounces rather than absorbing shock, and also doesn’t contribute to absorbing energy and thus lowering g-force. for bc use, then yes, weight and ventilation will be more important, but then speeds will generally be lower, so i would imagine impacts would also be less on average. interesting development for helmets (in this case one designed for biking in an urban environment). a helmet will spread out the the impact onto the skull, which in turn spreads out the impact onto the brain. the helmet in question met the requirements of astm f2040., as i carry a lot of “heavy” safety stuff in my backpack or strapped around torso, a helmet goes along well in my sack and of course i only wear it when going down…. but i actually think it’s easier than that as the need appears to be for helmets that are simply better enough to prevent concussions such as vonn’s. better that x is small than leave some residual velocity left over for that near zero x direct skull impact. i have personally written off a couple of helmets mountain biking, and have a friend who would have been dead twice from road crashes without a helmet. tripling the helmet-wearing population since ’03 on the slopes is a really big $$ number, not to mention more stuff for skiers to load in the car, have to watch out for if they have kids, etc. if i go flying headfirst into a tree, sure, but if i fall to the icy hard surface, the impact will likely be way less than 35 mph (a snowboarder is more likely to catch an edge and pivot their speed toward the ground, but that doesn’t often happen to skiers). i actually had my helmut on while working in my basement with a super low central beam when i lightly hit it and it almost seemed that the helmut amplified the impact. as per my first post in this thread, you can design the perfect helmet if you know the crash it’ll have to deal with. so how much risk reduction is afforded by a helmet? mind your own friggin buisness (helmet laws are pure fascism and hypocrisy compared to tobacco). harder shell and harder foam for a helmet for higher speed impacts. i don’t think there is anyone who can evaluate the relative effectiveness of helmets w/o highly calibrated destruction testing, as even multiple impact helmets are single use.. army aeromedical research laboratory (usaarl) has created a g-tolerance standard for helicopter crewpersons’ helmets. i really think the population of users that needs a lot more protection than current helmets provide is primarily younger shredders who have the sense of indestructibility that comes with youth, and may be influenced in a not entirely healthy way by all the extreme imagery that is a part of modern life. meanwhile, people skiing with helmets are getting concussed as well as dying from head injuries, and simple medical facts (g forces causing concussion) along with physics shows helmets provide minimal protection, especially from cumulative injury. (recent science is also indicating that twisting forces may contribute to concussion, as of 2013 some helmet makers are attempting to address this. it’s just a change of mind to see more atractive a thin helmet than a thicker one. also the force vector would be dependent on the slope you impacted, just like landing on a flat vs. like seeing the motorcycle helmet comparison, since motorcycle helmets have similar issues. or not it makes common sense to me that if i have the choice of being hit in the head with a helmet on or with no helmet on, i would always choose the former. i wear a helmet while cycling and on my motorbike but never skiing. though i wear a helmet almost religiously when skiing/rock climbing/mountaineering, i’ve never considered one to be the magic wand in safety, just one component. april 1, lou mentioned the idea of a “home-brew helmet test. when i send them out on the slopes, they wear snow helmets and cold weather gear, and that’s about it. the way, to all you guys interested in how helmets could actually be improved. said he wasn’t going to stop skiing with the helmet, but was going to cut the ear flaps out. custom thermoformable helmet liners could improve fit so that the helmet stays in place during impact and reduces contra-coup. (i guess climbing helmets are there to deal with the latter. the earth or a tree isn’t going to move a ton, but your head is pretty light and likely moves a lot in response to an impact. you’d expect them to be the ones doing a meaningful helmet test. i guess a lot of you will be staying with the same helmets, as they were so good (grin)? the only way this can occur with current helmet technology is for the helmet to “give” or “crush” just like an automobile crush zone. a helmet pushed up too high will not protect the face or head well in a fall or crash.! far from it, i state in the article that i’m not talking about protection from falling objects… that’s a whole other subject and i’d tend to agree that the correct type of helmet (good shell without a bunch of holes) does provide quite a bit of protection from smaller objects (though helmets have their limits in that kind of protection as well, read steve house autobio for anecdotal evidence. eventually, your brain becomes more prone to concussion at lower impacts, and you begin to exhibit 24/7 brain damage symptoms. if the helmets were more effective i could see this, but present helmets may not make much if any difference in preventing concussions, so yes, in many cases it’s a reasonable choice to not wear one. the bottom line is that helmets protect from injury, both minor and serious, in a variety of scenarios. with a thicker helmet, you can use a softer foam. used or hand-me-down helmets with care, and never wear a helmet that is cracked or broken. are described as either “single” or “multiple” impact, and “single” or “multiple” use. lindsay could have worn a bigger helmet and strapped a gymnastics landing pad to her head if she wanted to but racing is about taking chances so performance overrules safety sometimes just like freeriders in comps getting mashed in the rocks. write: “somehow we have to provide a greater effective thickness for the helmet’s protection, to give the head longer to slow down…”. with a less durable helmet (as is done with bike helmets), you can use a foam that irreversibly compresses/breaks to help spread out the impact over the longest possible distance/time. reminds me of to-wear or not-to-wear helmet threads in windsurfing forums, back when water sports helmets started to penetrate that market in the mid ’80s. looks like this product line is aimed primarily at the type of skier i had in mind when i said maybe we have a culture problem, not a helmet problem. wearing a helmet can prevent about 85 percent of head injuries from bike crashes. it is axiomatic that safety gear is the most important stuff you possess — but could safety gear such as helmets be the most stifled when it comes to improvements? if you have your helmet on, you’ll be oh-so-glad you did ❗. similar arguments are laid against helmets which protrude too far and likewise tend to prevent the head sliding.” i’m not sure that home-brew is so dangerous that a helmet is required, but i’d suggest sending the idea for the test to myth busters – any results should at least be entertaining. some of you out there prefer wearing your goggles under your helmet. i think our sport is faster high stronger because of other equipment advanced independent of helmet adoption.; but the helmet (the shell) also functions to limit intrusion by pointed objects. get that if one is going to hit one’s head hard and/or frequently then wearing a helmet can be a sensible measure. are some helmets that meet both the cpsc and astm f1492 standards. but just like i don’t trust ski bindings using archaic decades old technology to always prevent leg injury, i don’t think much of helmets either. of force with a hard shell will reduce trauma type injuries, but has nothing to do with changing how fast your head decelerates inside the helmet. said, by all means, let’s consider better shells (single layer of carbon/kevlar would also provide better penetration protection, at less weight than abs), more effective impact attenuating materials, fit systems, retention systems, etc., it is axiomatic and shown by studies that in accidents that involve huge impacts, additional trauma to other parts of the body are as likely to cause death as the head injury. i used to think ski helmets were much better, read up on the subject, and my opinion changed! now grasp the helmet from the rear and try to pull it forward as if to roll it off your head.” but hey, in the case of the lost helmet, i’ll bet it still did something for the guy before it came off, so in his case “it could have been worse” as well., the guy i know was a bit reckless, had a bunch of head impacts over ski career, and eventually had to quit due to chance of one more. this simulation was done to assess the effect of wearing a helmet or not under the three different impact conditions. how many of the readers here have replaced their helmet after a good crash where the helmet took a good blow? replace the helmet after a crash and when the manufacturer suggests. is a difference between a motorcycle/atv and a snowmobile helmet. i witnessed a slow fall on soft snow with a good incline young lady was wearing a helmet and still the result was a concussions.

Helmet unsung single

: is the helmet standard appropriate to its intended use and does any given example comply with the standard stated on the sticker inside? don’t be fooled into thinking that helmets that look “skate-style” are always multi-sport. in other words, a helmet that definitely protects you at 10 mph needs four times the protecting at 20 mph and fully sixteen times the protection if you’re going 40 mph (not an uncommon speed for good skiers). it looks cool when the melon bursts, and oh ah ah oh oh it doesn’t burst when it’s inside the helmet., there isn’t a doubt in my mind that my 10 year old leedom helmet would take a crash 100x better than my brand new giro, but i never could hear anything out of that leedom, and it was hot, and it looked like an extra from spaceballs- the movie, and it was heavy which made it hard to ever take in the bc. a helmet pushed up too high will not protect the face or head well in a fall or crash. when you put on the helmet, how does it feel? a while back brought up the fact that what we probably ultimately need is a reactive helmet, sort of an airbag for the head and neck…. thus, after the standard all you’re left with is manufacturer claims of why their helmet is better. i don’t often wear a helmet when backcountry skiing and i doubt i will soon change my behavior. my part, i don’t wear a helmet all the time, but i’m wearing it alot more often than i used to.-deaths and injuries should go up, but do not go up, because more and more people are using helmets., after googling, i’m having a hard time believing that there isn’t more internet discussion about her briko helmet. i tend to agree on all you said, no helmet will ever be totally 100% protective. lot of the technology is basically bicycle helmet technology (can you say giro? i liked it a lot, and it was more effektive than the hardshell helmets for its use (softening low impact hits by poles). obviously, if you can roll the helmet off with the straps secured… it’s too big! by my math, that’s only three millimeters thicker on a helmet with a 15 millimeter liner (just measured one). issue with helmets is the shell can’t be so thin as to become dented in normal storage. of you who think our take on helmets is bs might want to talk to alpine canada as well and make sure they’re not led astray. problem with all this, that bears repeating, is that shoppers generally don’t buy helmets because one could be safer than the other, they simply buy what fits and looks ok, assuming that if it’s called a “helmet” it protects them adequately. concept i got from a ton of reading is that a “soft” helmet is what’s going to save your brain in the majority of incidents, and helmets would work better if they were somewhat softer. helmets also protect against things like rocks falling on your head, but that’s another subject altogether as it involves properties such as penetration resistance. waiting for scientific clarification on this issue before donning a helmet is everyone’s individual choice, but i’ll side with the thought that if my head were to ever meet a rock, tree, or someone else’s head while skiing, i’d rather have some foam and plastic in between……………………keep up the great site! plus helmet sales are good for business, and hassling people for not wearing them gives police and other authority types their jollies. you’ve seen helicopter crew helmets, you know they do have some space for the head to decelerate. at the measurements derived from the impact onto hard snow, we find a drop in hic value from 2,235 to 965 if wearing a helmet. an object is required to stop in the same distance (say, the helmet thickness cannot be increased), the force involved must increase as the square of the initial velocity. i didn’t mention it in my post, but that’s another reason most snowsports helmets are a joke. i’ve been knocked out inside full coverage helmets, made giant grindos in them that would’ve gone through my skull…the first real concussion i got was skiing without a helmet. people push it i don’t think anyone looks at a line and says “well, im probably going to fall and hit my head, good thing i wear a helmet! in a comment above: motorcycle helmets are designed for 15-25mph impact.), thus, yeah, that helmet would possibly work when you hit that fence post at 9 mph and got 83 g’s on your brain. does the back of the helmet fit properly without being forced forward when you arch your neck? it also means that ski helmets are becoming more like bike helmets, and that they will need replacing after a large impact. i was a consultant hired by poc to help establish their usa operations several years ago and was very involved with and impressed by their focus on trying to make a safer ski helmet (and now bike). i wear a helmet to ski at the ski resort, but not in the backcountry (unless the objective includes technical mountaineering, and then i wear a climbing helmet. when i send my kids out on their dirtbikes, they have the latest helmets, neck braces, body protection (similar to a bull riding vest), elbow and knee pads, and mx boots. i’ve always thought helmets are great at keeping the accident scene clean but don’t do a damn thing to protect people from head injuries at the speeds that average people ski. the foam liner works to absorb and distribute impact and the outer shell protects the foam liner. can not wear neck braces for the same reasons they cannot wear ridiculously big helmets. won’t comment on the poc helmet, because i’ve never seen one in person, except to say: abs shell and aramid layer, multi-impact foam, “pneumatic honeycomb” (bubble wrap? maybe my super nice helmet isn’t the best for my head in these types of situations., i definitely agree with the theory that helmets make young, dumb guys take even more and bigger risks than they would have without them. i am 56 and the only one in a family of 5 refusing to wear a helmet. from what’s on the site i know nothing about the product, but it certainly looks interesting, especially since i’ve seen very, very few european utility cyclists waring helmets in the last 2 months or so, and that’s across several countries. the helmet certification sticker will designate which activities it is certified for. such a helmet could be made so you could “reset” it by using a suspension system that elongated and could be reset, but that would be very expensive and difficult to make. helmet argument comes down to, many times, arguing what didn’t happen. my son shook the impact off with no ill effects but a stiff neck and my friend is still suffering from concussion symptoms two years later. difference between a helmet and the proverbial lead gonad shield is simple – your balls heal better than your brain. if you think of how much your brain can take in a lifetime as an account, then a helmet makes each withdrawal smaller. terms single-impact and multi-impact get thrown around quite a bit when talking about helmet models. got to play around with the scott and poc mips bike helmets the other day and i was very impressed. (more, due to liners that only compress with heavy impact, many helmets offer almost no protection against you receiving a concussion in lower energy impacts. i agree that helmets could do a better job of offering protection, and certainly don’t think everyone must be required to wear one, wearing one is demonstrably safer than not wearing one. after multiple concussions, even if the helmet saves your life, you’ve got problems. (and if only so many of my ancestors’ heads had received from the nazis a mandatory helmet instead of a bullet. by contrast, when scott macartney in 2008 slid through the hahnenkamm finish sans consciousness, skis, and helmet, the internet was of course quite busy with discussion of his helmet. truly, for an mtb helmet to offer top protection it would be nothing less than a motorsports helmet. are reading this wrong, if there was no increase in fatalities in these last 9 years when people have been skiing so much faster harder and more irresponsibly than before this is a major success for helmets. ‘concussion’ prevention maybe not, but in terms dying from an traumatic impact and resultant subdural hemotoma in the backcountry, it will make a huge difference. for example, we know of no snowsport helmet that protects against rotational forces, and most are still not mips. wearing a helmet can prevent about 85 percent of head injuries from bike crashes. just think, you’re on the ski hill and you’ve either got a stylish padded hat (known as a ski helmet), or you put the add-on cover over it for something that’ll really protect you.) so reducing the g forces on your head by 50% seems like a very good reason to wear a helmet. vent holes = hot (unless you are moving fast, the wind is blowing over the helmet just right, or you mount some sort of fan). hear stuff like this from old crusty dudes riding steel bikes with campy chorus 9-speed in the cycling world all the time…”oh helmets, they are too hot, don’t fit my head, and won’t save your life in a crash”. cycling helmets, but the bottom line is that when they are a part of your daily routine, they take nothing away from your experience. another thing is that current helmets do offer a bit of protection (as i’ve acknowledged in the past), and a 20% increase in protection doesn’t require very much in the way of increased thickness. other important thing is for there to be some easy way to tell when one’s helmet needs to be replaced. the key thing is deceleration, but many people think the helmet just spreads out the force of a blow over a wider surface area, with some “padding. these helmets typically have a dual lens snow shield, and a breath box that keeps breath off the face shield to keep the visor from fogging up. are some helmets that meet both the cpsc and astm f1492 standards., by contrast, do not in practice yet work well when used by a population engaged in an actual sport (as opposed to staged falls or staged impacts). i find it sad to see that even in light of overwhelming evidence and the inability to apply your logic to other sports with helmets and other safety devices that you refuse to listen and apply your gray matter…. who knows, angles of impact, etc, can affect the brain differently. the hard shell of the helmet distributes force just enough to not crush or break the helmet liner — which is designed to deform under high energy impacts. having a helmet is better than not having one, whatever the stats or the debate is. driving or spearing with the head has much to do with the wearer’s perception of the helmet’s protective value. apparently the “improvement” in football helmets from leather to the helmets of today reduced significantly major head trauma (cracked skulls, for example), but the recent research basically showed that concussions and long term brain damage is on the rise. done, the helmet should feel level, fit solidly on your child’s head and be comfortable. i suspect that any impact resulting in a headache lasting more than a few seconds means it’s time for a new helmet though. for example, wear that helmet in the backcountry but do you carry a bivvy sack? impact – is designed to protect you against a single impact, after which you must replace the helmet..We can’t have helmets thicker than a few inches and even that is too much for obvious reasons. ok, fullface helmets are a possible answer, just make them cool enough, it’s not that hard, really! a more serious note, the huge huge problem for both bicycle and ski helmets is they have to remain quite light in weight, while improving protection. big glitch is neck injury due to the large helmet/balloon catching on things, so neck protection will need to be incorporated as well. indeed, if you choose to wear a helmet while skiing, why don’t you wear one while driving? 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when the impact was against the fixed object, the helmet reduced the values from 696 to 333 …”. i’ve also torn the hell out of two helmets in bad falls. due respect lou, but you do sound more and more like crusty old dude looking everywhere for excuses not to wear his helmet.. consumers simply do not understand how a helmet works, and doesn’t. bicycle and most ski/snowboard helmets are usually single impact. without her helmet it would be her head direct on a rock, with topical damage, probable skull fracture and a worse concussion. i noticed my linked blog post about helmets is a bit dated, which happens. for the terrain park afficionado subgroup it is critical to wear a properly fitting, lightweight helmet without a fixed protruding brim (i. but yes, i would like all helmets to offer more protection.. bern helmets that predispose to neck injuries) and with strap appropriately adjusted so that helmet covers forehead and occiput. poster mentioned previously “i guess the real problem with ski helmets is that we buy them assuming they are effective., my understanding is when the industry uses the term “soft” helmet, this refers as much to a helmet with very low impact g-force as it does to the shell. think the more dangerous attitude to have toward helmets is “they really don’t do anything so why should i wear one? helmets with static vents are built with strategically placed slits that are always open. for resort skiing i wear a fancy full head helmet, people are crazy there, and i achieve higher speeds.’s good to wear a helmut when you beat your head against the wall w/ max g after reading the helmet helpnet. helmets keep you warm and safe from the cold winter air. helmet is designed for the shell to work together with the foam. goggles and helmet should work together as one cohesive unit to maximize ventilation. is information to help you choose the right helmet, how to fit it properly, and suggestions to keep you safe in a variety of sports and activities. you are just asking people to be aware of the limitations of current helmet designs. it is patently ridiculous that helmets are being sold that only protect you at one narrow band/speed of impact energy, with zilch protection at high impacts, and certain concussion injury at a fairly broad band of lower impacts due to the liner not compressing. use the pads where there is space at the front, back and/or sides of the helmet to get a snug fit. for biking, riding a scooter, recreational rollerskating and in-line skating, look for a helmet with a cpsc (consumer product safety commission) or snell sticker inside. a single-impact helmet is made up of a polycarbonate outer shell molded to a rigid foam liner. there’s gear that as of yet doesn’t: helmets for a wide variety of sports. any ski shop folks want to comment- has anyone ever asked “is helmet a safer than helmet b? but no, instead we get head injury victims promoting helmet use. started wearing a helmet 10 years ago after 25 years of never wearing one. agree with how people think helmets do more than what they do. is more, it is common but misleading to assume that a helmet protects you by spreading out force like hardshell knee pads do. idea that softer helmets without any distributing would work better at any speed is ridiculous. in fact, i’ve had helmets, both ski and bike, crack outwards from the point of impact clearly doing what they are designed to do and distributing force and probably protecting my skull from further injury. impact – means the helmet can withstand multiple impacts before losing its ability to protect. use the pads where there is space at the front, back and/or sides of the helmet to get a snug fit. however, a helmet will only protect when it fits well. too many skiers are getting hurt while wearing helmets… just heard of another one a few days ago…. since communication is such a large part of our backcountry travel, a helmet you can hear well out of might be a consideration if you are in the market. given the g reductions quoted in the above study, it could even make the difference between certain death w/o a helmet, and not death. people point to the limitations of helmets (which are real) and then conclude they are useless. sure about a boxing helmet, but being hit by a boxing gloved hand is different than hitting your head on a fence post while moving 20 mph (let the prize fighter jokes commence).“tell me how you are going to crash and i will build a helmet that will protect your head. – only wildsnow could produce over two years of bickering about ski helmets… and the clock is still running:). when you grab the helmet at the sides, can you rotate it side-to-side? as for the sophomoric argument of “it could have been worse if he/she/i had not been using a helmet,” sure, but lets move on from that and ask, could it have been better? the main thing is i stand by my take that ski helmets could easily offer much more protection. helmets give me piece of mind for things like glancing branches (like those encountered during fast skiing tight trees at the resort) or rocks during a couloir climb where the helmet protects from the object and there is not deceleration of the brain involved., so let’s say the industry takes lou’s argument to heart– what would the optimall helmet look like, and would not most of the same criticisms still apply? imagine how nutso a child would grow up if it had always worn a helmet while learning to walk. in other words, if ski helmets save lives, by now there should be a significant drop in skier deaths per skier day that goes along with a significant rise in helmet use by skiers. we could have a little chicken or the egg argument here but i’m pretty sure jamie pierre would not be hucking 250 foot cliffs if he didn’t have a helmet on. you intro i was prepared for some surprising data that substantiates that helmets didn’t help much, but this….’ve wracked my brains and inquired of several engineers about how we could conduct a meaningful helmet test in our workshop. be a good role model and wear a helmet yourself. won’t take the helmet evangelist position, but i will say that studying how helmets work at certain speeds then comparing those speeds to a skier’s “normal” speeds is incomplete and misleading. when the impact was against the fixed object, the helmet reduced the values from 696 to 333, and the hic from 12,185 to 3,299. your child to take their helmet off before playing at the playground or climbing on equipment or trees. they need to change how they test, certify, market and inform us about the helmets they are selling? for fun, here’s a good video of evel knievel testing his bell magnum helmet:April 5th, 2011 12:23 pm. looked at the skiing part, would the statistics be as compelling for helmet use? this study found that if the impact is onto a soft-snow surface, both the measured g-loads (under 100 g) and the computed hic values (less than 220) are well within acceptable limits regardless of whether or not a helmet is used. obviously, if you can roll the helmet off with the straps secured… it’s too big! every helmet review i have ever read is about fit, ventilation, comfort, gadget compatibility and the like, i have never seen an impact test. for biking, riding a scooter, recreational rollerskating and in-line skating, look for a helmet with a cpsc (consumer product safety commission) or snell sticker inside. for helmets working for different speed impacts, in my view that is a very easy thing to improve, but again the helmets would have to be thicker and more expensive. graham, i know i simplified the injuries part of my essay, but i figured doing so worked okay for the thrust of my point, which is about concussions, how serious they are, and how little snowsports helmets offer to protect us from such. did i avoid a concussion because i was wearing a helmet or because i got lucky. a concussion is caused by the brain impacting the inside of the skull when the skull decelerates and the brain keeps moving.“a canadian-based study examining possible changes to helmets to prevent concussions and better protect the brain. statistics from the study seem to present a pretty convincing argument that significant injury and even death can be avoided by wearing a helmet in many situations. in other words, as a term of art, “soft” doesn’t necessarily mean a foam hat, but rather a very energy absorptive helmet., maybe helmet use hasn’t correlated with a reduction in injury because all the gopro mounts are increasing injury from glancing blows (sorry, not a laughing matter, i know). helmets can simply make the difference between a bump on the head and brain surgery. goes for ski helmets, i was already skiing at high speeds and taking certain risks when i started to wear a helmet regularly (i wear the leedom limit when resort skiing), but in no way, shape or form expect the helmet to miraculously save me in all situations., the softer helmets of yesteryear did what has already been mentioned about soft helmets (slower deceleration thus less concussions)., after seeing what happened to vonn and now sarah burke , i felt it was so obvious that helmets needed to be better and that wearing present ones might not be all that effective, but wow did i get attacked on that concept. hard side and front (face plants) have never resulted in a jarring head impact for me. would i have been seriously injured when the snowboarder landed on my head if i wasn’t wearing a helmet? yes, a bit of spreading of impact always occurs and reduces chance of injury in minor impacts, but the main purpose of a helmet is to slow down the deceleration of your head when it encounters another object. additionally, use of a helmet does decrease your risk of a reported head injury (don’t know about death). racer should be aware of what protection they are wearing and if they compromise safety for aerodynamics, lightness and their sponsors gear, that’s their own fault unless fis has something to do with helmet specifications. don’t have references for this, but i have read that, in bicycling, most of the energy of impact is produced by the vertical fall off the bike (as opposed to forward velocity), assuming no fixed objects are hit. for example, it is difficult to even advertise a new helmet technology because it implies your other helmets without it are sub-standard. sure, this would prevent skull fractures and cuts, but would do nothing to prevent concussions upon impact.’m also beginning to think that some of the modern, lightweight climbing helmets might be a better choice for backcountry skiing where many people don’t want ear bugs built in, may not use goggles and don’t want the typical ski helmet designed to keep someone warm while freezing on a lift. that helmet is no longer used, and snell doesn’t do a rating for snowsports anymore, as far as i can tell. another way to make a good helmet would be to use some sort of material that crushed easily enough, then rebounded slowly (over minutes or hours) to its previous thickness and state. bicycle and most ski/snowboard helmets are usually single impact. the human reflex to avoid head on impacts will increase the likelihood of glancing impacts unless you’re totally out of control. these helmets typically have a dual lens snow shield, and a breath box that keeps breath off the face shield to keep the visor from fogging up. 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soft means crushable foam – which absorbs impact force – then that’s not such a bad thing. you might want to bring your favorite touque along, so you can fit the helmet with what you’ll actually be wearing.’d agree that helmet laws tend to be fascism… people should be allowed to make their own decisions when it comes to helmet use, in my view…. skateboarding, or aggressive, trick or extreme skating, look for a helmet that has a sticker inside saying it meets astm f1492. if we had the money i’d just pay a testing lab, there are a couple out there that specialize in things like helmets and are totally set up to test. i have no doubt that helmets don’t offer as much protection as i’d like while cruising the groomers, but that is just one portion of what people do on skis. once you’ve got the helmet on, fasten the chinstraps., lugging/wearing a helmet is more of a hassle than not lugging/wearing a helmet. james moss says in the article linked above, helmets do a great job of protecting against certain types of injuries — as does a plastic bowl duct taped to your head. than skiing slower, the only way to decrease the acceleration associated with an impact is to spread the impulse over time. your child get in the habit of wearing a helmet by starting off when they’re young. also, the soft helmets being what they were, spearheading and high speed tackles where one used one’s head as the first body part of impact were few and far between when compared to today’s 25mph impacts between offense and defense. would wear a helmet in a car if it was a land rover with the front windshield folded down and if i was driving the lr through a bush or woods. seems to me that this would distribute more force, protect better against intrusion, and provide a harder smooth surface that is less prone to “catching” on impact, without increasing weight or bulk too much compared to the ubiquitous polycarbonate “microshell., you can read about that here, and the studies are cited:Even the national ski areas association acknowledges this grim fact:“there has been no significant reduction in fatalities over the past nine seasons even as the use of helmets overall has increased to 57 percent overall usage among skiers and snowboarders, and to as much as 43 percent within the population at greatest risk—experienced young adult male skiers and snowboarders. helmets probably simply need to be a bit thicker, that’s my understanding. the risk of being completely ridiculed by everyone here, on stormy holiday weekends when i know those who don’t know how to drive in snow will be out in force (and in their suvs)i i have indeed worn my leedom helmet while driving …. need helmet distribution to get an even impact on the absorbing layer and the skull. decades of bicycle helmet use, i finally bought a ski helmet last year. to be safer the helmet will need to decelerate your head more slowly on impact, which means using a thicker, but softer, layer of polystyrene. use – means that the helmet is only certified for one activity. might see something like an airbag that deploys out of your helmet in the future, but that’s probably a few years off., coming from a country, where most skiers and boarders use helmets i do not really see any reasons stated here why not to wear a helmet? racer going 80 mph needs a helmet much stronger than skiers going 40, right? even at a slow speed the impact can very well be life threatening if not wearing a helmet. this is motocross specific but speed, big airs and big impacts seem like they could be similar for some skiers., helmets also have to resist penetration from sharp pointed objects. the helmet made no difference, and i almost broke my neck. now grasp the helmet from the rear and try to pull it forward as if to roll it off your head. bicycle and most ski/snowboard helmets are usually single impact. would be wary of using cycle helmets where they employ only a thin shell. helmets are actually saving lives is a question that statistically just hasn’t yet been determined with certainty. come on man, instead of accepting the lame norm that’s enriching helmet makers, let’s cry out for something at least 20% better! spreading out the impact should still help reduce brain injury a lot, by decreases the amount of tissue that undergoes plastic and shock deformation-level forces…”. i hope the overwhelming benefits of wearing helmets are as clear as the overwhelming evidence of human induced climate change. the eps density of the helmet liner addresses part of the need for different parts of the helmet to perform in different ways. i don’t see any reason not to use a helmet, regardless of what the study shows. what they failed to mention was that going in with your head at 30 mph to a hard immovable surface, _with_ a snowsports certified helmet, was still going to cause permanent brain damage, spinal injury, and/or death. that the “helmet crusade” looks a little ridiculous, because helmets have some known deficiencies (which should be acknowledged and addressed) is simply not supported by the facts. so yeah, ripping down a glassy black diamond sans helmet probably isn’t, in relative terms, quite as risky as riding a ninja down i-80 without a lid, but another way to look at it is that wearing a ski helmet provides over half of the “safety effect” that riding a motorcycle with a helmet does. whether or not you’ll eventually concede the importance of helmets, we, as your peers, expect you to challenge your views as well.– helmet would cover back of head and possible be much lower over ears and temples., it’s because the best functioning helmet would have very little rebound and energy absorption and deceleration would have to thus be taken care of by material sacrifice. noticed something said above about a helmet is supposed to “spread the force.” we need a helmet certification system that rates the helmets on an open ended scale in terms of concussion prevention, based on deceleration. i’d recommend that such testing concentrated on impact deceleration with ensuing helmet damage being okay to some degree. may be wrong, but i think the main point that lou is trying to make is that helmets could/should be better, more so than that helmets are worthless in general. there is too much emphasis in helmet marketing bs about how “strong” helmets are. i mean, really, if you were her, wouldn’t you be thinking that maybe, just maybe, if my helmet had been better i wouldn’t have gotten a concussion and would have won the world cup title? if lindsey vonn had been using a softer helmet, perhaps she would be sitting at home looking at a crystal globe. thus, having a helmet in those situations makes no difference in terms of life saved. other thing: what’s holding helmet improvements back is not lack of desire on the part of helmet makers, but rather a certification system that doesn’t award improvements but rather enforces a status quo. skiing is a good, healthy sport, whether lift-served or not, and a helmet that in the aggregate isn’t saving lives is one more obstacle to participation. when you put on the helmet, how does it feel? the researchers at virginia tech would be willing to do a similar test for snowsports helmets. i’ll take a stab at it, but i make no claim to be any more of a helmet designer than the next guy! a helmet was soft then why would we need to replace it? (not that i intend to ski alpine) helmets are great for avoiding simple pain, like when you slam your head on ice., not wearing a helmet cannot harm anybody else, so in my opinion every one should be free to choose – helmet or not. just tragic — but perhaps a helmet with the right color and built-in speakers solves the problem. do not know where the parameters are that much different in the area of impact absorbtion than that of a bicycle helmet. now grasp the helmet from the rear and try to pull it forward as if to roll it off your head. the initial standard transmitted too much force to the back in high impacts but persists alongside a more compliant standard. had an article about a guy who makes bicycle helmets made out of corrugated paper arranged in a honeycomb. i keep hammering on, no matter what fancy stuff is included in a helmet the one thing is they need to be thicker, as distance given for deceleration is the only thing that can reduce g forces, in a macro world governed by the laws of physics., it’s somewhat of a thought experiment, the idea is to get people past the common misconception that the primary role of a helmet is to “spread out the impact” by providing a hard shell. but even with astm certified snowsport helmets the possibility of receiving a brain concussion is very real in even low speed accidents. and if they are already requiring breathable suits for racers and making them spend hundreds of dollars for them all in the name of safety… i just don’t get why racer’s helmets (especially for dh) have to be so light. wear a helmet if you choose; good ones do offer a small amount of protection. thus, helmets don’t need to provide “ultimate” protection, they just need to provide a modicum. i want the vonn would have had no concussion, not that the helmet “saved her from worse injury. are helmets not just like other snowsport garments; part of the “uniform”? the ski helmet standard dictates what most manufacturers work to. to basic physics the only solution for increasing safety with current helmet technology is to make the helmet thicker. your child to take their helmet off before playing at the playground or climbing on equipment or trees. very large impacts you get a shockwave that travels back an forth making your neuron’s do a harlem shake while your brain bumps back and forth and compresses and expands (neurons are not particularly stretchy i might add). latest findings are showing that helmets don’t protect against concussion. with two kids that ride motocross, it bothers me greatly that snow “recreational” helmets are so sub-par. one can communicate with a smartphone in the event of serious impact and the phone will text a contact that info with coordinates. in turn, some companies have gone so far as to mold a channel within the rigid foam of the helmet to accommodate under-the-helmet goggle-wearers. underlying problem is that helmets need to be thick to spread out impact duration, but thick helmets are mostly unworkable. branches hurt less when they hit my helmet instead of my head. final statement is “when the impact was onto simulated hard, icy snow, the helmet reduced the average measured g-load from 329 to 162 …., ok, so a helmet has an inadequate retention system and it gets talked about, but one of the best skiers in history is wearing a helmet, still gets a concussion, and not a peep out of the internet? as for helmet evangelism, exhorting others to take up the helmet crusade looks a bit ridiculous in light of all this. helmet had several deep bruises after that, but my head none, neither i had not concussion. are described as either “single” or “multiple” impact, and “single” or “multiple” use. in my reading i keep coming across statements about how a helmet should “distribute” forces. baseball batting helmets are an example of a single use helmet. far as i can tell, ski racing helmets don’t have to adhere to any greater standard than the voluntary standards that recreational helmets are designed usually designed to comply with. 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the distance with no helmet is close to zero so the deceleration “g’s” should be very high without one, and the real deceleration is limited by the brain structure itself and probably by some velocity/kinetic energy that the brain can relatively safely absorb itself. i don’t disagree with your premise that helmets are imperfect at protection from concussion but they are clearly better than no helmet, and useful in other trauma reduction. follow the instructions from the manufacturer to know when to replace your multi-impact helmet. if you take a flat surface and impact it at angle theta, the effective thickness is:So if you have an impact at 60^, the thickness is twice the flat thickness. is, of course, easier if a new helmet meets the old standard as well as offering improved protection. i ride motorcycles and bikes with helmets all the time. all vent holes would have a user operable covering system, such as the sliding/shutter systems currently in some helmets. helmet has saved me more than once from falling ice/rocks, tree limbs, etc. younger touring partners all wear helmets, my older ones don’t.” in today’s world, helmets look absolutely amazing, so stubbornness stemming from style concerns shouldn’t be your excuse for going without one. single-impact helmets are accepted as distributing the energy of a large crash the best, but multi-impact helmets have shown steady improvement in (unintended) testing. other safety improvements might include shock sensors that warn you of a hard impact so you can watch for signs of traumatic brain injuries.’m a big fan and respect your opinions on everything, even these “helmetic” -thoughts. i know two people who were knocked unconscious from falls to hard snow, at modest speeds, while wearing ski helmets. this effect might not be remarkable or obvious, but in my opinion it totally exists and if all of you are going to use anecdotal evidence to prove helmets are great, i’ll use anecdotal evidence to show that safety frequently contributes to the risk level people take. are described as either “single” or “multiple” impact, and “single” or “multiple” use., the huge misconception with helmets is that by simply providing a shell over your skull (like a knee pad), they provide important protection. does the back of the helmet fit properly without being forced forward when you arch your neck? because the helmets are too stiff and there is no visible damage to the helmet. i’ll never really know – i just have to make an assumption from the dented helmet. sometimes use my bike helmet with a raincover if i am riding the lifts. if you’re asking about helmet for skiing in winter, i usually don’t wear one but i do like the camp and use it on occasion. have hit hidden rocks buried under powder head first, and fractured my neck, but without my helmet my head would have been split open. materials have existed for many years, such as closed cell pu foam, which perform much better at deceleration in this type of impact than typical “hard” eps foams or harnesses found in most helmets today. i’ll be looking for a new helmet now without the snell approval. from larger, heavier helmets designed to make higher-energy impacts marginally survivable, on current tech that may be a dead end. of course helmet evangelists are going to chime in and say “without a helmet she would have been worse., i wouldn’t get too wound up with all this, you’ve got more chance of dying of heart attack and back country skiing is a good way to prevent that – with or without a helmet. it should be tight enough that if your child opens their mouth, you can see the helmet pull down on top. we’re fragile, we like to have fun in the physical — physical/fragile can blend beautifully and technology can help with that, but how successful we are with the blend eventually comes back to our own behavior and skills, not how thick our helmet is. if it doesn’t fit, keep working with the fit pads and straps or try another helmet. understand what the shell does in a helmet, think about this:You are jumping from a building down on a thin layer of small thin cardboard boxes. used or hand-me-down helmets with care, and never wear a helmet that is cracked or broken. they are multi-sport helmets and can be used for biking, skating, riding a scooter and skateboarding. it is not enough for the helmet just to look like a skate helmet. seems to me a helmet should be as “soft” as possible, as long as it’s not so soft that the foam (or whatever) bottoms out when a “harder” material would absorb more energy before crushing completely. it is not enough for the helmet just to look like a skate helmet. ski helmets do a great job of protecting you from such injuries. can’t believe no one has mentioned the largest downside to helmets (in my opinion). sure, it spreads out the force of a blow over a greater area, but does nothing to slow down the deceleration of your skull in the event of a fall and impact during skiing or other speed sport.’m going to agree with lou and other folks that a lot more could be done with ski helmet design and research. since your head is round almost all impacts will be at glancing angles and a hard shell will help deflect your head away from the impact whereas a soft shell would dig in. don’t think a single layer of hybrid (carbon and kevlar) cloth would make the helmet a lot harder, but it would protect the foam during handling and keep the helmet in one piece in a multiple impact scenario, without making it a lot heavier. those of you preaching helmet use should be wearing it while behind the wheel and/or especially while your really tired buddy is driving and trying not to fall asleep…. helmets keep you warm and safe from the cold winter air. mechanism that works for the inflating bike helmet won’t work for many skiers; it has an accelerometer with freefall detection. i have seen my share of carnage i say wear a helmet ( even if the current ones are not ideal and could and should be improved) ., the issue is that some cumulative head injury folks should not ski at all, helmet or not, because helmets don’t provide enough protection.?As we call for in the blog post below, and the ‘bicycling’ article alludes to, ski helmet brands are indeed addressing some of these issues. all i’m saying i’d like to see is for snowsports helmets to trend more towards the saving lives and preventing concussion such as lindsey vonn’s, rather than them being comfort items that eliminate the need for band-aids — along with seemingly having very convincing marketing that causes people to have much more faith in helmets than is rational. the analogues for a ski helmet is the carbon fibre shell and foam liner. helmet needs to distribute the impact not to “save the helmet”. his helmut saved him twice, once from impact and the second time through the creation of an air pocket. done, the helmet should feel level, fit solidly on your child’s head and be comfortable. note that i’m not saying cyclists never crash at reasonable speeds, but experience to date seems to show that cycling helmets *do* work adequately to save lives in almost all cases.“again, after googling, i’m having a hard time believing that there isn’t more internet discussion about her briko helmet. no helmet will protect you as well as avoiding the collision entirely. when something impacts the helmet—the ground, a tree, another skier or someone playing pokémon go—the liner fractures and absorbs the force. if you’re repeatedly cracking your helmet, you need to reevaluate how you have fun, because skiing is awesome, but brain damage is serious s#! i mentioned that on april 1, because most of the helmet demonstrations you see on the net are a joke — such misleading bs it is nearly criminal.), yes i think that’s where helmet tech is going to go if it’s actually going to prevent injury to the extent many people now think it does, but actually doesn’t. helmets keep you warm and safe from the cold winter air. on the other hand, rotational forces transpire when your cranium impacts an object at an angle. is a difference between a motorcycle/atv and a snowmobile helmet., lou, for your very interesting and informed suggestions on helmet design. forewith, the wildsnow approved snowsports helmet:– would have a softer shell with virtually zero rebound, and with shock absorptive nature. best helmet for reducing concussions will be softer and slowly decelerate the head. i now always wear a big furry hat down there which keeps me aware and brushing up against something lightly doesn’t create an impact. i’m all for better helmets, but (as i’ve said before) maybe we should also consider cultural factors. those of us looking at the whole picture and calling bs on ski helmets? for everybody else, you must read the article that lou cited about motorcycle helmet standards and injuries. don’t be fooled into thinking that helmets that look “skate-style” are always multi-sport. in-mold helmet (left, above) is built with a bombproof polycarbonate outer shell that’s attached to a foam liner in a single molding process, yielding a lightweight, one-piece head protector. it should be tight enough that if your child opens their mouth, you can see the helmet pull down on top. i would love to see advancements in helmet safety and design and would pay more for a better helmet. impact – is designed to protect you against a single impact, after which you must replace the helmet. simple physics is the main reason why it’s tough to engineer better helmets. would be interesting to know what sorts of things snow helmets tended to hit (statistically), and where on the helmet are hit, and how hard. snowsports helmets, why they might not work and do not protect as well as they should from concussion and brain injury. done, the helmet should feel level, fit solidly on your child’s head and be comfortable. be a good role model and wear a helmet yourself. to be clear, i wear a helmet on occasion and own a variety of them for different sports. we figure out a way to measure impact, i’ll bet we can get enough helmets to make for some interesting testing. a helmet is not very useful if doesn’t get worn. then maybe some of the snowsports helmet makers could do some collaboration with the football helmet makers. i’d just measure it on top of the helmet, again, same on each one. when i asked my friend who triggered the large slide if he heard his partners yelling and telling him which way to ski out he replied, “no, i couldn’t hear anything, i had my helmet on. however, a helmet will only protect when it fits well. i actually ski in the resort with a helmet and enjoy its many qualities. the helmet still offers some protection, more than a hat anyway. 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. crushable foam that would be able to absorb as much energy as possible without making the helmet physically so big as to create other problems. you’ll need to replace your helmet in order to ensure proper protection against the next big spill. do you feel a need to push the helmet back on your head at all?– the obvious answer is because the helmet could just as likely be viewed here is preventing a far worse injury., your comment about what an improved helmet would look like ended up in moderation lineup for some unknown reason. this configuration works quite decently for on radial impact, as the fluid will flow from high pressure to low pressure zone ( can’t be compressed). the evidence is compelling enough that helmet use for snow sports (like bicycles) will likely become mandatory here in california for those under 18. think a helmet used with no neck brace is going to offer major protection is somewhat wishful thinking. maybe people shouldn’t have to wear seatbelts in the car, maybe motorcycle riders shouldn’t have to wear helmets, these are philosophical debates. if it doesn’t fit, keep working with the fit pads and straps or try another helmet. they study the number of deaths per skier days, and correlate that with the rise in helmet use. wearing a helmet can prevent about 85 percent of head injuries from bike crashes. while you were posting this i was ranting for a couple of single spaced pages on the other thread…., improvements can and should be made to skiing helmets, and the more that they are used, the more innovations in design that will come, but it seems to me that the risk:benefit ratio for helmet usage is ever tipping towards benefit –. ceramics and brittle fracture are probably not so useful for the types of blunt impact we’re talking about in skiing. anyone know if fis has a helmet standard that’s any more stringent than the following link describes?, ski resorts here in oz are very crowded and operator competence is abysmal, so there is some argument for wearing helmets at resorts to reduce one’s chances of becoming collateral damage. your child get in the habit of wearing a helmet by starting off when they’re young. at those speeds on the motorbike i’m covered with full-grain leather and a helmet that probably complies with its reasonable standard – and i say probably because most helmet testing regimes do not use randomly selected units from retailers’ shelves. was just turning my attention to the latest poc helmets with mips. there is no downside to wearing a helmet ,also i find helmets warm comfortable and a good place to park my goggles …i can’t think of any downside to wearing a helmet right now as opposed to waiting till helmets are made better. the article also mentions, as you do, that a helmet that protected much better would be too thick to wear. is information to help you choose the right helmet, how to fit it properly, and suggestions to keep you safe in a variety of sports and activities. what is known is that there hasn’t been a dramatic drop in head injury rates in the recent years during which helmet-use has gone up. but i’d ask, if all those folks had better helmets, how many fewer would have you had to see in the first place? that adjustment just means it doesn’t fit right and won’t provide the best protection that helmet can even give me in the event of a backwards fall. the primary role of a helmet in preventing concussion is to slow down the deceleration of both skull and brain. follow the instructions from the manufacturer to know when to replace your multi-impact helmet. as suggested above, when comparing protective snow gear to moto gear, snow gear is extremely lacking although many of the impact forces experienced in both sports are similar. i wear a helmet while mountain biking, but i doubt it offers much protection against the more serious inherent risks versus backcountry skiing. a reminder: the mips system for absorbing torsional (rotational accelerations) is looking close to the leading edge of helmet design. a motorcyclist of 40 years these are some of the things that i’ve learned:You can design an excellent helmet if you know the precise circumstances of the crash. think a simple, light, cheap, comfortable helmet is a valuable piece of gear to use for many types of skiing, even if it depends primarily on 1″ of eps foam for protection., what i mean by “homebrew” is something that has a repeatable way of measuring force, and even if the exact force couldn’t be quantified as an accelerometer does, the test could at least be used to compare brands and models and see who is actually making helmets that do a better job of decelerating the head than the astm standard. certainly in resort boundries, ski helmets are effective, and soon mandatory for youths here locally. what is more, if you read up on helmet standards, you’ll realized just how little protection snowsports helmets offer, and thus how little difference they make in a really hard crash in terms of the resulting head injury. does the back of the helmet fit properly without being forced forward when you arch your neck?? wear a helmet if you choose; good ones (especially the mips models made for multiple impacts) do offer protection. terms of cost/benefit ratio, a helmet (note, not ‘helmut’; the correct spelling will provide more useful search results) may provide limited protection but at no or little wearer disadvantage. although skiers and snowboarders in the united states are wearing helmets more than ever — 70 percent of all participants, nearly triple the number from 2003 — there has been no reduction in the number of snow-sports-related fatalities or brain injuries in the country, according to the national ski areas association…., i’ve been following the arguing about bicycle helmets for a few decades now, and there has been a lot of confusing data about their effectiveness, with enough ambiguity that both sides can claim there are stats are on their side. i remember spending time with the owner in sweden trying to explain that in america even if a skier was hurt wearing a ski poc helmet they would likely be sued anyway, despite the fact that the skier would likely been killed or even more seriously brain damaged if he or she wore no helmet at all. it sounds like you are indeed a victim of multi impact multi concussion. just an aspect of wearing a helmet that had not crossed my mind. perhaps, just perhaps, vonn’s helmet had an inadaquate protection system. anything that can shave a few g’s of the impact is worth it. it is not enough for the helmet just to look like a skate helmet., i think branches would fall into the category of something smaller hitting you, which lou admitted is something helmets are good for.. so deflecting the impact can make a _huge_ difference in how thick the helmet liner and skull is! you are probably 10 times more likely to be involved and injured in an auto accident, assuming you drive to and from your snow play, why not wear a helmet while driving?– so a certain ski partner of mine, many years ago (before *anyone* wore ski helmets outside of true dh speed events), was skiing down a relatively mellow groomer, took a really freak fall at low speed, and somehow ended up with a concussion, complete with vomiting at night, etc. my last was head-on with another rider (he’d lost control btw); effective impact was around 80-100 kmh. otoh, if one skis in control away from rockfall, avalanches and out-of-control resort denizens, then there is no way that a ski helmet is anywhere near as necessary as a bicycle helmet imho. if you bounce the impacting projectile up (or conversely the helmet/head down) by having a really hard plate on top by only 5^ (to 65^) further up you have 2. know the numbers and physics calcs can be interesting, but the best evidence for helmet usage is obtained from real-world data. since helmets are now a style peice, perhaps what’ll happen is the helmets will remain thin, with protective shell for sharps, but also have an airbag system to take them to a level of protection that really works to prevent concussion or worse in hard impacts. you can move the helmet from side to side, add thicker pads on the sides or adjust the universal fit ring on the back if the helmet has one. don’t use a helmet in the backcountry (lower speeds, weight, bulk in the pack, etc. that is not because they make them wrong, that is because that is the expected head impact in many/most cases, crashing at very high speeds. use the pads where there is space at the front, back and/or sides of the helmet to get a snug fit. once you’ve got the helmet on, fasten the chinstraps..yes you can poke some holes in some of the helmet/head injury “studies” re real world applicability to skiing, but the only neurologists and neurosurgeons i know that ski, only ski with helmets………are helmets pefect, no, but i personally and professionally think they do increase your odds of a much better “result” after a head trauma skiing……. lou but ‘no reduction’ doesn’t justify the conclusion that helmets are lame. fall on the head is an impact that most systems will not handle. current snowsports helmets approach that, but in my view (and other’s) need to provide some additional reduction in g-forces so even minor concussions are less likely. you can move the helmet from side to side, add thicker pads on the sides or adjust the universal fit ring on the back if the helmet has one. the head has to decelerate slowly during impact or your brain slams into the inside of your skull and causes either death or concussion, and you’re only allowed a few concussions in your whole life span. i do not see anywhere in this thread where you are discouraging people from wearing helmets. this out, it pretty much says what i’m saying, with a nod to hard shell unpadded helmets being good for when someone drops a hammer on your head, but other than that not doing the correct thing to protect from brain injury in a fall. a car, however, you’re already protected and in case of a crash a helmet would not protect you from getting a concussion. i feel more comfortable safety wise wearing a bycycle helmet with a softer shell and have an extensive development and testing period to justify that design.……as a physician i area ski with a helmet always ……if meadow skipping or backcountry powder skiing i typically don’t…. still, i’d wonder if on the whole these helmets are too soft. racers used to have soft leather “helmets” – were these more effektive than todays? sure if you wack your head on a fence post at 40 mph the helmet probably won’t help much but some one will be able to find your head easier when it’s torn from your neck.” probably true, but even with the helmet she lost first in the wold cup and got a concussion that obviously contributed greatly to her not getting first. only thing it lacks is tech details on how they make helmets protect better for concussion. if you were her, and that was the case, woudn’t you be thinking, perhaps, maybe, my helmet isn’t good enough? more, astute shopper of course look to see if helmet conforms to a standard, but most don’t realize how out dated the standards are, and how minimal. of that aside, i agree that the astm standards for snow sports helmet testing are somewhat optimistic. their brains are ticking bombs, waiting for one more impact with that “helmet” their parents have worked diligently to make sure they’ve worn since they were 2 years old. said, the selection of backcountry specific helmets kind of sucks. my understanding is that such a helmet is a bit thicker but still doable, but the main thing is that along with thicker it is also a bit softer. the shell of the helmet has to help with this, not hinder it. about soft helmets – i used to have one of them…a specialist sl-race helmet with a built in communiction radio. (bike) helmets seems to be largely a “blame the victim” thing, i. don’t think helmets are better than nothing, fine, it is you against all the stats, all the research. in other words, a helmet could actually be too strong! if this data was available it would perhaps help with both helmet design and user education. but it could get around the problem of certification since you’d wear it over top of a certified helmet.

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what i have done is used my giro ski helmet for cycling in winter; fit is pretty much the same as my cycling helmet (also a giro) but it is much warmer. some one comes up with a better helmet that does not give up too much in cost or usability to achieve better protection, i’ll use it. after coming from auto racing, where the most current snell rated helmets are a must for any track event, i felt ok about buying a ski helmet that was snell approved. there is (unfortunately) a growing market for helmets for bc skiers that need protection from falling rock and ice. used to have a soft rubber helmet, with integrated communication, that i used for sl-racing. the one i have fits like my giro bike helmet (good for me), and uses the same harness and adjustment system, with features to make it warmer, etc, but there’s not a lot of difference in the basic structure or materials. of most dangerous skiers are those who roam through skiers in the field (or airports) with their helmets swinging loosely off their packs by the chin straps. main thing is this is about chosing the right helmet for the right situation. when you put on the helmet, how does it feel? don’t be fooled into thinking that helmets that look “skate-style” are always multi-sport. don’t think you actually want a helmet that would have saved vonn from brain injury.’m gonna guess it came from the idea that the best a helmet can do is protect the wearer from relatively minor impacts. what’s important, again, is that the helmet somehow slows down your head’s deceleration as you hit something with your head. do you feel a need to push the helmet back on your head at all? here in the aspens i see quite a few oldsters in helmets.* there are climbing/alpinism helmets designed to protect from stonefall. point was that rotational impact may cause concussion at lower impacts which supports the mips design – just doesn’t look well investigated. and absorbing and decelerating is what is happening in all helmets.* there are the helmets the fis racers wear (i assume these are more protective than what’s for sale in my local ski/surf shop). forces are starting to be addressed: first by neck braces and second by neck air-bags, but third in helmet design by having two layers of liner that can move in relation to each other. not that the helmet is going help him if he bounces his head off anything hard. this means that the material does absorb some of the larger impacts, and thereby reduce the energy transmitted to the wearer. when you grab the helmet at the sides, can you rotate it side-to-side? the helmet certification sticker will designate which activities it is certified for. mph was 333 g’s when the helmet/head hit a wooden post. all the discussion, the biggest argument against advocating helmet use seems to be overconfidence when using them will lead users to take bigger risks. we could get some better helmets that would be great too, obviously, but i’m not sure how not buying/wearing the currently existing helmets would facilitate that. thus, as you get older you have more and more reason to wear an _effective_ helmet while skiing and in the icy parking lot. related to snowsports helmets issue is with the goggles: they does not absorb energy and, i might be wrong with this, breaking your nose absorbs, but with goggles the energy goes all over the frame, preventing it from breaking. your slide slows you say 15kph before your head impacts the wooden post forehead first. only thing dumber than the helmet is the helmet law, the point of which is to protect a brain that is functioning so poorly, it’s not even trying to stop the cracking of the head that it’s in…”. would buy a wildsnow approved helmet because it would have been tested by a guy who understands the risks and needs of the backcountry skier. skiing at 50mph and expecting a 50mph impact to your head. at the end of the day i would simply assume that you are certainly better off wearing any type of head protection than none at all and that technology will keep producing safer helmets moving forward. met a few people recently who had that odd accident for the first time in their long lives – so decided a helmet might be good. while reading the ‘bicycling’article i was struck by a couple of things; a few quotes:“…as more people buckled on helmets, brain injuries also increased. think the notion that some things done by a helmet shod head may be potentially more damaging certainly is demonstrable in football–whether it is in skiing or not. and the public wants helmets that are light, and look cool, and vent well. i made such a helmet 20 years ago from one of the old bike helmets that had a fabric cover over the foam. other words: a good ski helmet can be built with a very rigid shell, but in turn the liner has to be thicker and softer. skiing or snowboarding, you will need another type of helmet. i’ve said before (further up in this thread, by happenstance), helmet thickness imposes severe constraints on what’s physically possible.“if you crash at 15 miles per hour in a normal helmet, your head will be subjected to around 220g [g-force], whereas the new design absorbs more of the impact and means you experience around 70g instead,” says surabhi. the helmets on the market today are very very effective at protecting against these types of injuries. or those of us who faithfully strap a ski helmet on without thinking that just, perhaps, it’s really not going to do much more to protect our head than a thick cardboard hat?’d add that i’m sure i’ve had at least one concussion, perhaps two, but very mild and both happened while wearing a helmet. and the industry or new companies will design better helmets learning from f1 and motogp, and with improved slow speed impact absorbtion. sure about the accuracy of all the content (seems to be some opinion mixed in) but it raises some interesting points about the different types of crashes and different impact forces. responses to “encore: the problem with snowsports helmets — progress made”., enjoy that warm feeling of safety as you don your helmet. they are multi-sport helmets and can be used for biking, skating, riding a scooter and skateboarding. few years back, motorcyclist wrote a long and detailed article about motorcycle helmets and testing, its not about skiing, but it has some pretty good information. some helmets come equipped with a heated snow shield, and open face modular snowmobile helmets are available as well. the design challenge would seem to be balancing the ability to absorb most of a moderate impact without sacrificing the ability to absorb more of a larger impact. using cycling helmets skiing: how are the forces or sharp objects encountered by a skier significantly different than those faced by a cyclist?– interior venting and cooling would be a priority and cutting-edge designed so the helmet could be worn on the climb as well as the descent. so long as a helmet can stand up to a few good whacks, it can turn to powder afterward so long as it does a good job of preventing brain concussion. bottom line is that i’m not expecting these helmets to do much other than to protect my fabuous good looks. you peruse the shop shelves and online retailer directories for helmets, you’ll undoubtedly notice the acronym “mips” appearing in the descriptions for products from almost every brand. suspect cycling helmets would be pretty worthless against rockfall as they’re not really designed to stop small objects penetrating. beef with helmets is that there aren’t enough made that are certified for both climbing and skiing. for all we know, increased helmet use maybe preventing some brain injuries that previously would have gone undetected.’m wondering though if snowsports helmets all need to be super lightweight. many people disagree and feel snowsports helmets do an adequate job. a helmet is void of venting, it ain’t worth buying. don’t wear a helmet (see above post) and while i am telemark i hope i am not considered old at 33 and have not skied anything under 95 (bd kilos) all winter. magic helmet can do anything when you crash into that tree head on, no matter how thick, the g’s are just too much. are reading the numbers wrong, they show helmets are working. helmet usage (lift-served skiing/boarding) probably reduces the risk for head injury by about 35-40%[1] (compared to roughly 70% reduction for wearing a helmet cycling or riding a motorcycle [2,3]). basic point would be that helmets reduce number and severity of concussions but they don’t help on really hard decelerations.. bicycle helmet legal standards are now archaic; they have not been updated since they became law in 1999 through the consumer product safety commission. seem to think the human skull is completely rigid like steel or hard glass or something, like the distribution of the impact is already taken care of by the scull., we all want helmet technology to get better, but if companies are going to work toward that goal they need to have people buying their product and asking for safer helmets. i believe that several manufacturers don’t even rate their helmets to the ansi standard. does all this leave bicycle and rando racing style helmets? in multi-impact models, a soft, high-density foam inside the shell works to distribute impact force and is able to withstand multiple crashes of lower momentum without breaking. contrast that with similar contact sports, like rugby or aussie rules football, where helmets are absent. that being said, the only negative i have found so far might be little side impact protection on a climbing helmet – but i don’t see that being as big a hazard for skiers as for climbers. a condition that rose in the nfl when helmets became required. seems the manufacturers are more concerned about ipod integration in snow helmets than protection. all, btw, what do you think of lindsey and her helmet?, and serious question, do you think snowsports helmets are adequate, or should they be improved? skiing or snowboarding, you will need another type of helmet. point is the crush zone needs to be thicker, and since it can’t be much thicker, then the conclusion is that ski helmets are not very good protection nor can they be with current technology (decades old concept of crushable foam). at the least, my theory is they must have more distance between skull and shell, to allow slower deceleration as well as low impact and rotation protection. i use a sweet protection carbon fibre kayaking helmet for the resort, but it’s a little heavy (550 g) for touring. i’ve been knocked out once (very briefly) but have had a few others that have involved headaches for periods ranging from a few minutes to one of ~24 hours when i wrote off a bike helmet. a helmet pushed up too high will not protect the face or head well in a fall or crash. these helmets typically have a dual lens snow shield, and a breath box that keeps breath off the face shield to keep the visor from fogging up. the moment, i think there are at least 3 or 4 types of snowsports helmets out there.

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when i observe all the helmet hype, it bothers me because it does seem to ignore the simple points that see and marcia bring up. – i read a study (years ago) that found that most of the impact/acceleration in cycling (human powered) comes from the fall from upright to pavement, not forward movement. my test would be a simple one that would measure acceleration (deceleration) in a standardized impact. i actually never had any kind of head injury impact in all the years i skiied without a helmut. the elasticity enables the inner foam liner to rotate independently around your head during an impact. yes, if a rock falls on your head the helmet needs to resist penetration and subsequently spread out the force. yet here we are nearly 20 years later and full face helmets are not available for the recreational skier. i’ll never know but i do know that in each of these examples the helmet was broken and i wasn’t. pretty sure there are some helmets out there that use at least some foam of that sort… but cost is an issue so most ski helmets are simply made from a thickness of crushable foam that is sacrificed. on the other hand, injection molded or twopiece, hard-shell helmets (right, above) are constructed with an impact-resistant abs plastic bonded to a separate, rigid foam liner. impact – means the helmet can withstand multiple impacts before losing its ability to protect. some sort of shell is no doubt good to have if your head hits something, but the more important function of a helmet, as opposed to a knee pad, is to give your head more time to stop moving when it hits something., my point is wear a snowsports helmet if you want, but don’t be deluded into thinking it offers much in the way of protection for serious injury. i ski tight new england trees daily (ski patrol) and i have never had an incident where i would have benefited from a helmet. a thicker helmet should be watched as uglier than a thiner one? to keep this semi on-track, anyone have any idea how we could set up a home-brew helmet test?’m predicting lou will see the error of his ways sooner rather than later, and come out tomorrow with a full-throated defense of helmet usage. poc or someone else serious about positioning their hard hats as superior to the competition wants to make a helmet that exceeds the astm snowsports voluntary helmet standard to any significant degree in terms of g-force mitigation and thus concussion prevention, i’d be up for providing stickers. replace the helmet after a crash and when the manufacturer suggests. baseball batting helmets are an example of a single use helmet. sadly, standards have not changed to promulgate helmet improvement because of the stasis created by legal realities. in ’94, for example, i had (still have) a full face kayaking helmet (you can imagine the desire for something like that when you are upside down in a fast moving river, with large submerged boulders. i have found a helmet good for:Snowboarder falling on my head falling down steep chute. a cracked carbon fiber helmet after hitting a rock after a relatively gentle fall is enough to convince me. with a glancing impact there’s a transfer of momentum (equal and opposite) that is perpendicular to the direction of the impact. this perticular helmet is aimed at the comuter that are more worried about his/her hair looking good then cracking their head open 😀. but due to thicker helmets being impracticable the futurist has to conclude that other technology will have to be used, such as an airbag system on the helmet that inflates microseconds before impact and thus increases “padded distance” to slow down the deceleration rate. don’t think so ,wearing a helmet might save you some injury while if you don’t wear a helmet you definetley won’t get any protection. about airbag helmet idea, how is it supposed to be triggered? the united states, ski helmets are certified to the astm f2040 standard for snowsports helmets. avoiding false triggers and functioning correctly when the helmet is covered in newfallen wet snow will both be tricky. work is ongoing on improving the kinetic absorption of current helmet models, but to say that they are imperfect and thus should not be used is unwise, particularly with modern helmets that are lighter, and more effective with less acoustic dampening. you might want to bring your favorite touque along, so you can fit the helmet with what you’ll actually be wearing. my take is the helmets need more distance, or else active components such as airbags.., poc includes kevlar for better intrusion protection without making helmet too ridged or heavy. in both cases of a collision with a hard object, icy snow or a post, the helmet decreased the g-force by about half. when the going gets more exciting, i’ll probably don the helmet and still enjoy the ride. insult to “injury,” a hard helmet shell combined with semi-rigid foam liner is especially problematic in lower speed impacts., no doubt stronger shell materials would make for lighter helmets… but we need to get away from this idea of the importance of “distributing force. here are a couple of quotes from the article:“he engineered it into a double-layer of honeycomb that could then be cut and constructed into a functioning helmet. there is no logical argument against helmets for saftey and comfort. this last was a big issue when full face m/b helmets came on the market. sum up, in my opinion the main problems causing ski injuries are psychological, and helmets are designed to deal with mechanical problems. but this study seems like a very good case for helmets, not against them. lou, i’m sure that the “gonadal shield” technology could easily be incorporated into ski helmets at little extra cost! they are multi-sport helmets and can be used for biking, skating, riding a scooter and skateboarding. is already proven statistically that snowsports helmets are not saving lives, but they do reduce or prevent moderate to semi-moderate head injuries and i’m happy to acknowledge that. snowsports helmets are certified to a rather minimal standard in my opinion (though some would disagree and say the snowsports helmet standard is good). as i’ve written at length about, today’s ski helmets do very little to protect you from concussions. but even with astm certified snowsport helmet protection the possibility of receiving a brain concussion is very real in even low speed accidents. it looks kind of funny as they’re usually skiing quite conservatively and when the helmet is combined with a down filled one-piece you don’t exactly have photogenics (grin), but provided the helmet will actually work (*?, lou, to address your question about how i evaluate my helmet choices for effectiveness, the simple answer is that i don’t.’m sure some helmets allow you to hear better than others.’m not sure a full face helmet that is not more prone to catching on snow is possible. use – means that the helmet is only certified for one activity. can’t comment on the difference in standards for snow helmets vs.” again, this is counter intuitive, but any force that’s “distributed” by a helmet shell has to be “distributed” somewhere else!, in the old days when you got a minor concussion without a helmet it frequently included a severe scalp bleed and was scary.“when the impact was onto simulated hard, icy snow, the helmet reduced the average measured g-load from 329 to 162, and the hic value from 2,235 to 965., it’s a “soft shell” that goes on over the “hard shell” regular helmet and has a bunch of cushioned pods. of the most important concepts in the ‘bicycling’ article is that rotational force is seriously damaging to the brain — and current bicycle helmets do nothing to protect against this. moreover, many falls may occur in difficult terrain with slower speeds, where the helmet would be very beneficial to have. but they are much better than no helmet for a vast array of impacts. mips, which stands for multi-directional impact protection system, combats rotational forces that harm your brain. when the impact was against the fixed object, the helmet reduced the values from 696 to 333, and the hic from 12,185 to 3,299. that we got that out of the way, why not just agree that for the remainder of injuries, cuts and the rest of nasty happenings you do not want to be treating while 2 hours (or more) away from civilization – it makes sense to wear a helmet! puzzling thing: snowsports helmets, their quality and use, is an ongoing issue., individuals can decide helmets are too much hassle, and not do the sport. helmet needs to distribute the impact to do a better job “absorbing and decelerating” with the thin foam that is a necessity in any helmet. for gs, super-g and downhill, we used the hard shell helmets…. wanted to clarify for any impressionable readers that there isn’t convincing evidence that helmets specifically have had no effect on skiing mortality. i pretty much require all my clients to wear helmets. replace the helmet after a crash and when the manufacturer suggests. will be times when you will avoid injury because you had a helmet on your melon…and there will be times when it will not help at all. are some helmets that meet both the cpsc and astm f1492 standards.) to some large number of milimeters “g force” (not really force at all but acceleration) should go down drastically, not just a factor of two (look at the math)unless the helmet is either drastically to stiff (barely compresses at all so just like a second skull) or is seriously (i suspect) to soft thus fully compressing long before the head motion is stopped. when the impact was onto simulated hard, icy snow, the helmet reduced the average measured g-load from 329 to 162, and the hic value from 2,235 to 965. have used it for resort skiing and gnarlier tours so far, will use is more or less always from now after having suffered a minor concussion in a bicylcle accident on monday, which would likely have been avoidable with a helmet on., but intrusion protection, minimization of “rotational” forces, and some degree of distribution (especially in case of impact with something pointy) are still important even if the “primary” function is energy absorption. i’d add that the plastic bowl should have some crumpled newspapers added underneath to equal what a ski helmet does (grin), but the point is that even if everyone on the ski slopes was wearing a motorcycle helmet, the majority of fatality capable accidents caused by violent collisions would still be fatal, due to other types of trauma (neck, chest blunt force, femurs, spleens, etc. to get the point, thought experiment, just envision your head in a perfectly fitted steel helmet, with no padding. notice in the news about the current big outdoor gear show that a couple of makers have developed sensors that can be fitted to helmets indicating impact severity. i agree that a helmet won’t help much if you hit your head hard enough, i still think that the simulation showed a clear advantage towards wearing a helmet., sure, a helmet needs some sort of shell, but the shell does noting in of itself to prevent brain concussion from the brain impacting the inside of the skull during declaration. the perfect hard shell helmet with the perfect liner, say one inch thick, still only has one inch distance to do its job., the g’s are indeed the problem… one idea for a solution is an airbag that deploys from the helmet before impact, thus increasing effective thickness of the helmet and starting the deceleration sooner. most of us that is something very light and not too hot and designed for low speed impact. some sort of reliable pre-impact detection may be the only way to make an inflating ski helmet work well. a helmet while you ski is a really, really smart thing to do. your child to take their helmet off before playing at the playground or climbing on equipment or trees.

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, if there is any risk homeostasis at all from people wearing helmets, it might be canceling out and benefit. i saw one of those tests recently where they said the helmet and melon where moving 30mph when they hit, and they made it look like the helmet was super effective. if the helmet is fitted correctly it should cause your skin to move with it when you move. as helmets get lighter and more development goes into their construction, i’ve noticed a trend towards more broken shells and compressed liners. when you grab the helmet at the sides, can you rotate it side-to-side? you can move the helmet from side to side, add thicker pads on the sides or adjust the universal fit ring on the back if the helmet has one. the first impact was taken by the body, the second one by the back of the head and helmet, thus it had already reduced speed.) in other words, you can make a helmet out of steel, or the most amazing unobtanium honey comb kevlar who-ha stuff and if it doesn’t have room for your head to decelerate in any meaningful way, it’s all just pr chatter.” as we’ve discussed ad infinitum above, some protection and “distribution” by the helmet shell is part of how a helmet works, but it’s not of primary importance. problem is that helmet manufacturers are making what the public wants. have survived a 15 meters free fall, falling on my back (protected by stuffed backpack) and a head (in a climbing helmet). even a thick woolen hat offers protection from abrasions and lacerations (though of course no impact or penetration protection). think that it might be quite more useful for back country skiing than some admit as even avalanche survivors have said that the head trauma they would have received on the way down through rock and/or trees would have killed them without a helmet.” as for helmet evangelism, exhorting others to take up the helmet crusade looks a bit ridiculous in light of all this. i worked ski patrol at a big tahoe ski resort and we had plenty of really messed up people with bad head injuries, wearing helmets at the time of their crash. i bet it would do about as well as a climbing helmet in rockfall as well. for example, sticking a melon in a helmet and dropping it, then dropping a melon without a helmet. the most important thing is both training and enforcement of proper behaviour, both at ski resorts and in traffic, but neither of these is likely to happen when it’s so much easier to legislate helmet use and claim to have fixed the problem. the risks of a serious head injury while backcountry skiing are fairly low, so i think that it is a reasonable decision to ski without a helmet..your “conclusion: wear a helmet if you choose” justifies your position ……all the skiing neurologists and neurosurgeons i know “choose” to wear a helmet skiing……………., the cultural problem you referred to did not exist before helmets.@lou, air bags in cars only trigger on impact that i know of., helmet airbag could be triggered with a combination of accelerometer and some sort of radar or other type of proximity sensor. thus, to keep helmets as sleek and lightweight as possible, the shell needs to be part of the energy absorptive and deceleration system. some helmets come equipped with a heated snow shield, and open face modular snowmobile helmets are available as well. near as i can tell, they do not address reducing rotational forces, and most suffer from the same problems as bicycle helmets do in terms of preventing concussions from lower impacts (though a new type of ‘multiple impact’ helmet may be what we need; see more below). but let’s not lose sight of the fact that a helmet provides only an incremental improvement in safety. if you often find yourself plastered on the @jerryoftheday instagram account, a two-piece helmet might be your best bet. however, bear in mind that the thinner and softer the foam, the smaller the impact needed to total the helmet. people will still get hurt even with big soft super helmets. be a good role model and wear a helmet yourself. of the problems however good the protection is, is to get folk to throw it away after one impact. best would be actually using an accelerometer combined with a helmet drop. i believe that if people are wearing these minimal helmets, blithely convinced they do much more than wearing a padded hat, then taking even a bit more risk as a result of feeling protected, any benefit could easily be canceled out since the helmets really offer so little protection. i see so many paddlers with what i always considered worthless helmets as my standard was the hard plastic / eps foam / liner foam model. hic is a time-weighted acceleration measure used widely in the automotive industry to measure impact severity as it relates to head injury. story, hitting trees dead on with the crown of your head at 50 km/h is really bad, but at glancing angles your helmet is a lot thicker than you think. if it doesn’t fit, keep working with the fit pads and straps or try another helmet.. a rock), the shock wave is going to propagate out from that point, with the most damage being at the point of impact and then the energy is going to radiate out from that point, with a fair amount of energy being reflected back and forth at interface layers (helmet shell to lining to skull to meninges to white and grey matter). people use a ski helmet that had the durability and thickness of a bike/motorcycle helmet? use – means that the helmet is only certified for one activity. this is usually accomplished by the crushing of foam inside the helmet, or sometimes by a suspension system releasing or stretching. there is no magic extra thick soft helmet with no shell with a magic foam and airbags and propellers that the stupid helmet makers didn’t think of that will be perfect at all speeds. bike helmets are now mandatory here in oz, although many people don’t always comply. the hard shell fails and the helmet starts plastic deformation but you’ve already bought yourself a much reduced impact. so long as the impact of each helmet is the same, it really doesn’t matter what the impact surface is, nor the angle, but it’s probably easiest to just set things up for a 90 degree impact on a solid flat surface. spreading out the impact should still help reduce brain injury a lot, by decreases the amount of tissue that undergoes plastic and shock deformation-level forces. i would hope that if you cited other sports and data that eschewed helmets and came the conclusion that they provide no protection that we would listen to you and change our stance. the greatest risk associated with a concussion, and something that we are just beginning to understand is second impact syndrome, which is the increased damage done by a second concussion during the healing time following an initial injury. if you want a helmet to protect your head hitting centrally a fence, at the speed of 30 mph, you certainly do not have one. snow sports helmets should be improved and there is much research ongoing as to precisely the best way to do this. the glancing or sliding impact has long been known as the most common type of human-powered sports head impact. you can again look at the bike stats: helmet laws have at least coincided with kids not riding their bikes much anymore. i know quite a few people who have survived horrendous crashes wearing cycling helmets, and nobody who has suffered serious brain damage from cycling, though i have no doubt this has occurred. your child get in the habit of wearing a helmet by starting off when they’re young. just because i am traveling 35mph doesn’t mean that i will impact at 35mph. not to mention that there are a number of helmet wearers who bang their head and just head to the bar and all is well and are not counted as they might be if found stumbling and drooling, sans helmet, around the edge of a run by ski patrol. is a difference between a motorcycle/atv and a snowmobile helmet. still seems to me that there probably need to be more than one type of snowsports helmet. by “distributing” force, perhaps your helmet has saved you from a skull fracture, but you’ve still got just as bad a concussion. seems to me that a bike helmet is designed for pretty much the same sort of impacts encountered while skiing, and the helmet cover makes it quite warm and snowproof. some of you are going to love the opportunity to rear your stallion and try to kick us into agreement with the helmet crusade. i would also argue that your average rider with a concussion is a grade higher with a equivalent mechanism of injury if unhelmeted. but the helmet would indeed look thicker and not as sleek.– fit system and chin strap would be designed for 100% confidence in keeping the helmet in position on head. intuitively, it seems like the acceleration caused by head snap (back strikes, the head whips down and impacts icy surface) must be a significant additive factor. answer to the discussion about why a better “soft” helmet is not available: an unfortunate reality for helmet manufacturers doing business in the us is litigation. for example, the giro combyn ski/snowboard helmet will be available this coming winter of 2013/1014, and other multiple-impact “mips” helmets are available for snowsports. just came across this:It’s a cardboard helmet whose design is inspired by a woodpecker’s skull., i repeat, do we perhaps have less a helmet problem, and more a culture problem? in other words, what we’re looking for is a helmet that would have perhaps prevented vonn’s concussion. a helmet while you ski is a really, really smart thing to do. for it to work reliably, helmets need to be tested from each batch made. but your post seems to attempt to justify a philosophical stance by using a factual attack, but the facts — while they could be better for the pro-helmet crowd — don’t really back you up as much as you seem to think they do. follow the instructions from the manufacturer to know when to replace your multi-impact helmet. you might want to bring your favorite touque along, so you can fit the helmet with what you’ll actually be wearing.… another follow-up to the idea of a soft shelled helmet, i suspect you would still want a hard shell to maximize deflection on glancing impacts. it should be tight enough that if your child opens their mouth, you can see the helmet pull down on top. skiing or snowboarding, you will need another type of helmet. i have definitely seen folks like seth morrison wearing a motorcycle helmet and a cowboy collar neck brace (football equipment) in ski films in the past, fyi. read an article recently (can’t seem to find it) regarding research on the effectiveness of football helmets. you have two hard things collide, there’s more initial elastic transfer of momentum before plastic deformation sets in than when you have a hard thing (rock) collide with a soft thing (soft foam helmet). sure, the helmet should and will do a bit of that as a matter of course, but the operative words are “absorb and decelerate.. making a helmet thick enough to be a leap in performance might not look good. for me the takeaway is to wear a helmet because some protection is better than no protection, but we have a long way to go before they’re a cure all. once you’ve got the helmet on, fasten the chinstraps. i noticed the helmet comments on the news post, and just figured a stand alone thread and associated post would be better, in the present as well as a resource for folks studying the issue in the future, so here we go… it’s actually been a bit more work than i anticipated (grin), but along with that my feelings have adjusted in some ways and gelled in others. i did find a study a while back that showed the bicycle helmet standards might be the most robust, as compared to skiing and climbing helmets. leaving aside poc’s claims to improved saftey, right off the bat its obvious that the poc covers more of my head, and fits more closely to my skull, decreasing contra-coup or secondary impact forces. suspect that it is so because people perceive a bit of smoke and mirrors in the whole deal as it’s so much tougher to know how good a helmet is, over, say, knee pads.