i am currently in the begginning stages with them and not sure if what to expect. we started by hauling the panels up on the roof (and when i say “we” i should clarify that mark did the majority of the carrying, being the bigger and stronger one, but i was still very much a part of the process. what is missing to solve the climate crisis is political will.” however, the initial set-up cost isn’t the only factor. with some important exceptions, electricity costs are well under two percent of value added for most businesses in ontario. according to robin who commented a few days ago, it sounds like the whole process is being streamlined so you, too, could be getting a monthly cheque! for income tax, you can claim all of your initial costs, and ongoing costs like the monthly meter fee from hydro one (. you say “as for income tax, you can claim all of your initial costs, and ongoing costs like the monthly meter fee from hydro one (. we’re in ontario’s “farther north” near the manitoba border so we get a fairly long winter. mark and christine,Great job on the install and general description of the issues surrounding it. i provided the business number / hst number from cra to hydro one but they were unable to ‘validate’ the number from cra against my system seemingly because i named my system other than the legal name on my property deeds. getting attached to the grid is a specific process – and if you assume you are talking to a qualified person who says he can do it; make sure you shop around. few people were aware of pv prior to the green energy act -doesn’t mean there were not people designing and deploying systems throughout the country. @climatereality: "world's largest beer maker to ditch fossil fuels, go 100 percent renewable. we really think its because we make too much electricity?’m surprised to hear that the point of the ontario fit is to eliminate hydro bills. batteries last about five to 10 years and, for a ,000 system, cost about ,000 to ,000. saying “when it’s not feasible to pay that anymore” isn’t evidence. sure that payroll at hydro one is probably their biggest cost. any insights into working with the system are helpful and appreciated! i expect to make 80-90% of my power during the warmer months with longer days and more intense sunlight so i’m not too worried about the snow. i was completely unaware of this because when i read my first contract, it didn’t mention anything about a 1 contract limit. the rate we are being paid will pay off our initial investment in about 4 – 5 years; that’s true for the new lower rate, too, as the cost of solar has dropped. our experience, though, with all the extra charges from hydro one, we believe that the best philosophy to have if you’re participating in the microfit program is “go big or go home” because the hydro one charges are the same, no matter what size of array you are putting up.
the closest i could find was low density rural rates in alberta, and their total percentage of distribution & other costs was 55% of their total bill (which was lower than on rates) vs.: 20 year contract with the provincial government: i guess everything in the end is uncertain, but a contract with the govt of ontario is a pretty good bet.. not one politician has given any proof that they know what to do.) the fact that you use a below-average amount of electricity results in you paying more per kw. ,000–,000 option: lars jensen’s integrated power systems provides diy kits that are pre-approved total systems. off-grid properties are often much less expensive than properties serviced by an electrical utility. point of this is, no one from the gvt stepped in to do anything about it. they have been stringing us along all this time and in january 2015 they stopped communicating with us. the projects benefit home, farm or business owners by revenue generation, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and approved applicants are guaranteed to receive revenue for twenty years. i presume that the company who owns the panels will do much of the leg work, you will just be getting a monthly rental fee. at this point the ldc ( power company) will not charge you do your hydro use , but pay you for your “net ” contribution..Looks like you installed the panels with the panel junction box on the back on the low side, manufacturers recommend installing on the high side. he reduced needless expenditures that were not value for money. ,000–,500 option: this most basic type of system is for those who only need electricity for a few 12-volt lights and perhaps a 12-volt radio. you might want to call up your local municipal office and have a chat with the building official.’m not sure what can be done – short of sending in the army – to get the message to hydro one that they are bankrupting the citizens of ontario. on 350orbust: farewell, auf wiede…rosita caridi-miller on eating local is delicious with…christine on 350orbust: farewell, auf wiede…pendantry on 350orbust: farewell, auf wiede…pendantry on 350orbust: farewell, auf wiede…. we are billed at a much lower rate for our use that we are paid for our hydro generation.’s microfit program: the nitty-gritty on going solar | ottawa renewable energy co-operative inc. it’s now been up and generating for a couple of weeks but i wonder if anyone has any advice they can offer on setting up a hst account at cra? you had enough of escalating electricity rates, outrageous delivery, regulatory and debt charges, billing mistakes, and excuses from hydro one and the wynne government? that seems like a very large increase in 4 years, with no end in sight. the microfit program is only 2 years in ontario and it is stalled right now because the government won’t sign on the “dotted line for the rates” – it is merely a political move. like from the time of application/approve to grid and panel hookup to hydro?
. source store in st thomas ontario (there’s a link to their website in the first paragraph). but our experience is that it’s a bureaucratic nightmare right now, so you will need persistence as well as luck to get an answer out of anybody at opa! there is also the free solar program where investors will pay for it for you and offer you an income over the contract term. i worked at hydro and i can tell you that the union and managers./month) against the monthly income received from the microfit program, so it will be several years before this would be added to your income”. it may be about having your own water supply, septic system and perhaps even growing your own food and raising animals./month) against the monthly income received from the microfit program, so it will be several years before this would be added to your income. the ,000 cost does not include a 7–13 kw gas or diesel backup generator (,500–,500), which is necessary for those occasions when solar power can’t provide enough electricity. when you lock in at a certain per kilowatt rate you will have that rate for 20 years, so don’t worry about it 🙂 after the 20 years the technology is still 92 percent efficient. for those of you concerned about the initial investment, we work with many financial institutions and can finance 100% of the project. anybody wins when it goes to court, especially when your opponent is a province with deep pockets., there is no need, nor is it particularly effective, for you to cast aspersions on my character. also check with your local building inspector as you may need a building permit, depending on the size of your project and where you live, as it may differ between municipalities. exciting – it’s good to hear that the bureaucracy has been greatly improved since our panels went up..very few people have the background experience that i can offer with my 4 decades of invoolvement in renewable energy sources…. situations where there is the option of going on grid or off grid, cost will be the first consideration. do your own number-crunching, but i suspect that the time it takes to pay-off the investment in solar panels even at this much lower rate is still 5 – 6 years, like it is for our’s at the much higher rate because our solar panels were so much more expensive. i created contracts for the microfit program and found the frustration stems mostly from the lack of information provided from hydro one in terms of realistic expectations. i hear blame from ndp (cause all she does is whine), i hear nothing from pc cause they have to still figure out who is running the ship and i hear…. that, too, didn’t pass muster with our inspector, so in the end the manufacturer had to ship up a whole new batch of panels and take back the first ones. approval process after our application to the opa microfit program took 3 1/2 months; in june, we heard that our application had been conditionally approved. first off, we have installed many solar systems over the years, but stopped in 2007 when changes were made to the ontario electrical code prohibiting non-electricians from pulling permits and doing electrical work for others..not one…this hydro one has too much weight and pushes around anyone that gets in their way.. and while the capital cost of his “living without compromise” system was just over ,000, even when added to the cost of the 160 acres he still came out ahead compared to buying an on-grid property.
i’m not sure about the deadline – it isn’t a quick process – but my advice is that if you are considering doing it, even if you haven’t nailed down all the details, put in your application now. “it is never smart,” says jensen, “for someone who is already on grid to switch over to off grid, because of the extra cost for a system and the fact that power rates are currently very cheap in canada. can only speak from my experience, brad, that is as someone who has been part of the ontario microfit program for 3 years..The microfit program is an amazing opportunity for those looking to take part in a green initiative and generate profit while doing so. so i been trying to research this but one thing i did notice with a neighbour he is constantly on his garage roof to clear snow, which we could not do. for example, shane and tamara johnson were able to buy their 160-acre off-grid dream property in stony plain, alberta, complete with a 38-acre lake, for ,000, while at that time (1999) the average price for on-grid properties was starting at about 0,000. our utility company was ready for them to install the solar panels, but they didn’t do it. you won’t find an rrsp that pays as well as microfit! what this shows me is that again, hydro does what it wants all the time. i then set up a new partnership at cra with a new legal and business operating name (which must be different) but basically just the names of myself and my wife per the deeds. we are on a time of use meter, and use very little electricity overall. we aren’t entitled or insured to provide that kind of service. the onus is on you to provide a source and provide the reader with the methodology used to come to the above conclusions., i found your site only because we were going to install a system on the garage which would have cost about , 000 but backed off due to my husband’s health. in 1983 we installed a 3kw grid-tied pv system at ontario place, toronto which was just recently removed as they begin redevelopment of the waterfront. york, boston, san francisco, all examples of north american jurisdictions where electricity is more expensive than in ontario.) if you plan to sell moving the system will make it unworthy and asking the new buyer to add the price makes your house less attractive. think one of the major problems for those of us who live anywhere outside of a major urban centre is not the cost of the actual electricity, but rather the cost of distribution. More discussion with companies both…Telephone town hall - march 7th at 7pm. we went the do-it-yourself route because there was no local installer, and because mark is a hands-on kind of guy who was interested in learning the process. note that solar systems do not generally provide electricity for direct household heating or domestic hot water. of course, we would all like electricity to be cheaper, but there is an economic downside to cheap energy, which is that we fall behind on innovation and technology. the kits include a few solar panels from 500 to 1,000 watts, a 2,000- to 4,000-watt inverter and up to four agm batteries with a watt-hour capacity range from 4. you are really concerned about hydro rates going up, you might want to look into going off grid entirely, as then you won’t be affected by changes in what hydro one charges.
i have done a lot of research on the internet and the do it yourself programs seem to have come a long way. but again in a “rent a roof” scenario i imagine it’s different, as it won’t be your contract with hydro one. the first thing that i’m sure everyone asks is how much does it cost and what do you expect to make yearly? johnson says the system provides enough to power most homes (and certainly cottages) with standard energy-efficient appliances such as a fridge, freezer, tv, lights, microwave, well pump and septic system pumps and a circulating pump for a wood- or propane-fired boiler for radiant in-floor heating. we found a lot of info dating back to 2011 where of process took much longer than it does now and had different complications — so we’re hoping to build on sites like this and update the info for 2015. mike harris cut total funding for public transit at ttc…which resulted in rebuilding old gm buses and using the farebox to fund operating costs (the only transit system in north america at the time in doing this)…he brags about the sheppard subway which was a white elephant that had low ridership for years…there was no money going into improving/replacing old subway infrastrucure as well…. we have the two meters, one which records our hydro use and the other which records the electricity generated by our solar panels. on the other hand, the months that we normally have snow on the roof are also the months when the level of solar radiation is at its lowest. ( google net metering if you need a little more education on that ) ultimate goal of this program is to eliminate hydro bills all together for home owners. like all contracts, it will stand up in a court of law but the odds of the ontario govt defaulting is pretty low. i do not mean to sound ‘simple’, but is the implication that you erase your own hydro costs and in addition make a meagre profit or do you continue to pay for your own hydro bills and selling to the grid?, you might want to compare what you will be getting from the company (00/yr hassle free) with what you would make with your own solar installation. it is easier to change the size of your project once you have been approved, as long as it is still 10 kw or smaller, than to speed up the approval process. commercial and industrial companies are leaving canada and on because of the extortion of hydro rates. not sure if that will cause any issues with the junction box. any information or sites i should look at would be appreciated. i don’t have funds to do it right away but i do would like to get the permit approved for future if possible. am wondering where your stats came from because i have went to actual provencial hydro sites and looked at all their charges and costs etc to customers and nova scotia still costs more then ontario once you factor in taxes etc. please site your sources for concluding that it is a hydro fact that ontario has the most expensive in canada. i would be very surprised if you make that sort of income, though – the fit rate has gone down since we installed ours, although we don’t have the largest installation possible – ours is 7kw, and the largest allowed under the microfit program is 10 kw – we make closer to ,000 in a year. sound power corporation (now amalgamated with lakeland power distribution ltd. yes, we are very pleased with the power output so far, and are right on track (perhaps even a bit ahead) of our payback goal of 5 – 6 years. hydro rates may or may not go up, but you are still guaranteed money back according to the contract you signed with the govt of ontario. the second is the rate that a household gets paid for the energy generated by a microfit project.